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Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? And what 'orchestrators' exactly do you think benefit from sending their soldiers through

Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? And what 'orchestrators' exactly do you think benefit from sending their soldiers through a meat grinder? Yes, Russia (not Ukraine) has done a lot of that, but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..?

Pay08 3mo ago
> Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? Don't you know that big bad Ukraine forced innocent little Russia into this war?! (Do I need to add the sarcasm mark?) > but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..? Actually, to some extent, that is the case. Russia has been conscripting violent criminals (generally murderers and rapists), who, unlike normal prisoners getting conscripted, don't have a way to "earn" their freedom and are instead sent into the proverbial meat grinder.
- le-mark 3mo ago
  Russia emptied the prisons years ago. The able bodied men of Donetsk and Luhansk were rounded up and fed to grinder years ago as well. The wanton slaughter of their own people has been startling and depraved for their unending exuberance.
  - warumdarum 3mo ago
    The minorities from the regions came next. Then came the allies from the antiimperialist block days. Now they reach for the gullible of the world.
wartywhoa23 3mo ago
My evidence is waking up in the night from the sound of explosions in a city 150 km from the active front line, and then reading about a civilian building, or multiple buildings, hit in the morning. Sometimes even walking in person to see the aftermath. I don't have any hard evidence that drones that hit Russian civilian buildings are even launched from Ukraine. What is known for a fact, is that they often belong to the same waves of attacks that hit industrial and military facilities. And for a fact, certain remote operators are responsible for that. See, most will find my POV heavily tinfoil-headed, but try to understand it: I don't consider Russians and Ukrainians as two sides of the conflict. The real sides are some third party in control of military forces and narratives of both sides vs the populace of both countries. This is a war of false flag operations that are always blamed by that 3rd party on either Russian or Ukrainian side. A war of psychological terror, resource and manpower exhaustion. For example, I don't see any plausible explanation how drones with a radar cross-section of a Cessna are able to fly from Ukraine 1500-2000 km deep into Russia, other than either being turned the blind eye to by the Russian air defense, or straight up launched and controlled by entities within the country. That it is pretty possible, can be understood by in depth reading on 1999 explosions in Moscow and Volgodonsk which inaugurated Putin's rule, and peculiar details like that slip when Zhirinovsky spoke about the Volgodonsk explosion before the event proper. Also, the prevented explosion in Ryazan (look up "Ryazan sugar"). And by mere living in Russia and noticing things around. There is always an SMS warning in advance of every wave of attacks, but drones fly unimpeded and it is only in the vicinity of towns and cities that the air defense kicks in, often sending "the debris" neatly into residential buildings. No attacks on key infrastructure were ever made that would cut war logistics on both sides, both sides never attempted to attack any key (like, really key, not some sacrifice rooks or bishops) figure of its "enemy" Khomeini or Maduro style, in fact, nothing is ever made that should have been made in a real war. Only slow, deliberate, controlled smoldering. Fighting over strategically meaningless villages and towns with losses in many tens of thousands, only to back down and then try to recapture with same losses multiple times. All in all it takes living here and boiling in it, nothing I wrote could be obvious or even entertained as possible to a foreigner who doesn't follow the news daily and only sees the broadest strokes presented by foreign mass media. As to what the orchestrators benefit - it's multifaceted, but goes along the lines of slaughtering the battle-worthy passionaries who would otherwise prove dangerous to the globalist plans for CBDC, total digital control and surveillance in slavic countries, displacing them with meek migrant workers, terrorizing the remaining populace into complete apathy and acceptance of whatever new normals those plans set, training military AI on real-world bloody datasets, limiting the freedom of movement by deliberately created fuel shortages, which makes well for 15-minute cities, etc, etc per WEF, IMF, World Bank, Blackrock and whatever scum there is still in the shadow.
- metoobruh 3mo ago
  I am an American and what you are saying is 100% correct. You're just about 10 levels above the knowledge/understanding of the highly propagandized geeks who post here. Quoted for truth: > I don't consider Russians and Ukrainians as two sides of the conflict. The real sides are some third party in control of military forces and narratives of both sides vs the populace of both countries. This is a war of false flag operations that are always blamed by that 3rd party on either Russian or Ukrainian side. A war of psychological terror, resource and manpower exhaustion. It's all staged, all coordinated internationally by a secret club (Luciferians) who control all "opposing sides", all world governments and religions. Everything happens according to a script, and everyone is controlled by the same script. The war is a big meat grinder designed to kill off as many worthy men and women as possible in a slow burn, just as trench warfare did in WW1. All of this is leading to the next global war, in which they plan to crush the USA exactly as they did to Germany. I am the sort of person they plan to eliminate somewhere along the way, as are you. They won't be getting me; I hope they don't get you. In your country are they trying to set the stage for a future fake "alien invasion", just like they have been doing here for a long time? After the men and women of all powerful nations are destroyed and last vestiges of freedom are replaced by enslavement to a central world government and one world religion, that's when the perpetual "war against the aliens" begins, as their new form of population control.
  - wartywhoa23 3mo ago
    > In your country are they trying to set the stage for a future fake "alien invasion", just like they have been doing here for a long time? They have hard time with pushing even the current stages of the agenda. The launch of the wildly, and I mean wildly unpopular CBDC, ahem, digital rouble was postponed multiple times, but this time "the real deal" is scheduled by the Russian Central Bank for this autumn. The selling narrative about convenience, modernity and helping fight corruption has failed miserably, and now they will force it using the fuel crisis at hand - which has all the potential to become a food crisis if (when) the autumn harvest gets disrupted. They have already been rolling out QR codes for buying gas on odd/even days of week, by the first digit of the registration plate, etc, and the "government" messenger, also wildly unpopular but shoved down the throat to all kinds of civil servants, is on standby to become the only distribution channel for said QRs. God bless you, my friend.

Pay08 3mo ago

> Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? Don't you know that big bad Ukraine forced innocent little Russia into this war?! (Do I need to add the sarcasm mark?) > but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..? Actually, to some extent, that is the case. Russia has been conscripting violent criminals (generally murderers and rapists), who, unlike normal prisoners getting conscripted, don't have a way to "earn" their freedom and are instead sent into the proverbial meat grinder.

le-mark 3mo ago
Russia emptied the prisons years ago. The able bodied men of Donetsk and Luhansk were rounded up and fed to grinder years ago as well. The wanton slaughter of their own people has been startling and depraved for their unending exuberance.
- warumdarum 3mo ago
  The minorities from the regions came next. Then came the allies from the antiimperialist block days. Now they reach for the gullible of the world.

wartywhoa23 3mo ago

My evidence is waking up in the night from the sound of explosions in a city 150 km from the active front line, and then reading about a civilian building, or multiple buildings, hit in the morning. Sometimes even walking in person to see the aftermath. I don't have any hard evidence that drones that hit Russian civilian buildings are even launched from Ukraine. What is known for a fact, is that they often belong to the same waves of attacks that hit industrial and military facilities. And for a fact, certain remote operators are responsible for that. See, most will find my POV heavily tinfoil-headed, but try to understand it: I don't consider Russians and Ukrainians as two sides of the conflict. The real sides are some third party in control of military forces and narratives of both sides vs the populace of both countries. This is a war of false flag operations that are always blamed by that 3rd party on either Russian or Ukrainian side. A war of psychological terror, resource and manpower exhaustion. For example, I don't see any plausible explanation how drones with a radar cross-section of a Cessna are able to fly from Ukraine 1500-2000 km deep into Russia, other than either being turned the blind eye to by the Russian air defense, or straight up launched and controlled by entities within the country. That it is pretty possible, can be understood by in depth reading on 1999 explosions in Moscow and Volgodonsk which inaugurated Putin's rule, and peculiar details like that slip when Zhirinovsky spoke about the Volgodonsk explosion before the event proper. Also, the prevented explosion in Ryazan (look up "Ryazan sugar"). And by mere living in Russia and noticing things around. There is always an SMS warning in advance of every wave of attacks, but drones fly unimpeded and it is only in the vicinity of towns and cities that the air defense kicks in, often sending "the debris" neatly into residential buildings. No attacks on key infrastructure were ever made that would cut war logistics on both sides, both sides never attempted to attack any key (like, really key, not some sacrifice rooks or bishops) figure of its "enemy" Khomeini or Maduro style, in fact, nothing is ever made that should have been made in a real war. Only slow, deliberate, controlled smoldering. Fighting over strategically meaningless villages and towns with losses in many tens of thousands, only to back down and then try to recapture with same losses multiple times. All in all it takes living here and boiling in it, nothing I wrote could be obvious or even entertained as possible to a foreigner who doesn't follow the news daily and only sees the broadest strokes presented by foreign mass media. As to what the orchestrators benefit - it's multifaceted, but goes along the lines of slaughtering the battle-worthy passionaries who would otherwise prove dangerous to the globalist plans for CBDC, total digital control and surveillance in slavic countries, displacing them with meek migrant workers, terrorizing the remaining populace into complete apathy and acceptance of whatever new normals those plans set, training military AI on real-world bloody datasets, limiting the freedom of movement by deliberately created fuel shortages, which makes well for 15-minute cities, etc, etc per WEF, IMF, World Bank, Blackrock and whatever scum there is still in the shadow.

metoobruh 3mo ago
I am an American and what you are saying is 100% correct. You're just about 10 levels above the knowledge/understanding of the highly propagandized geeks who post here. Quoted for truth: > I don't consider Russians and Ukrainians as two sides of the conflict. The real sides are some third party in control of military forces and narratives of both sides vs the populace of both countries. This is a war of false flag operations that are always blamed by that 3rd party on either Russian or Ukrainian side. A war of psychological terror, resource and manpower exhaustion. It's all staged, all coordinated internationally by a secret club (Luciferians) who control all "opposing sides", all world governments and religions. Everything happens according to a script, and everyone is controlled by the same script. The war is a big meat grinder designed to kill off as many worthy men and women as possible in a slow burn, just as trench warfare did in WW1. All of this is leading to the next global war, in which they plan to crush the USA exactly as they did to Germany. I am the sort of person they plan to eliminate somewhere along the way, as are you. They won't be getting me; I hope they don't get you. In your country are they trying to set the stage for a future fake "alien invasion", just like they have been doing here for a long time? After the men and women of all powerful nations are destroyed and last vestiges of freedom are replaced by enslavement to a central world government and one world religion, that's when the perpetual "war against the aliens" begins, as their new form of population control.
- wartywhoa23 3mo ago
  > In your country are they trying to set the stage for a future fake "alien invasion", just like they have been doing here for a long time? They have hard time with pushing even the current stages of the agenda. The launch of the wildly, and I mean wildly unpopular CBDC, ahem, digital rouble was postponed multiple times, but this time "the real deal" is scheduled by the Russian Central Bank for this autumn. The selling narrative about convenience, modernity and helping fight corruption has failed miserably, and now they will force it using the fuel crisis at hand - which has all the potential to become a food crisis if (when) the autumn harvest gets disrupted. They have already been rolling out QR codes for buying gas on odd/even days of week, by the first digit of the registration plate, etc, and the "government" messenger, also wildly unpopular but shoved down the throat to all kinds of civil servants, is on standby to become the only distribution channel for said QRs. God bless you, my friend.