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Yea but it introduces a lot of issues for space travel and other satellites. The useful space in space we have is extremely limited. A single company shouldn't

Yea but it introduces a lot of issues for space travel and other satellites. The useful space in space we have is extremely limited. A single company shouldn't be able to just clutter space at will.

tticvs 3mo ago
1. That's not true. 2. It's not "at will" if you actually read the article you're commenting under you'd see it is about them _applying for a license_ to do something.
- taotau 3mo ago
  Taken literally you are technically correct, but... 1. Space is big, but LEO is not that big and if a single company clutters it enough, other organisations might start bumping into issues like 'if i don't get sign off from starlink corp, i might hit one of their satelites on the way up and my insurance wont cover that so I cant afford to launch given the risks of being sued by elon'. 2. Applying for a licence in this context, mostly means greasing the right palms (preferably the pudgy bruised ones).
  - tticvs 3mo ago
    It introduces no issues for space travel. And what exactly do you want to happen here? LEO to stay empty because no one else is able to fill it and for spacex to not to try to expand because the regulatory process isn't perfect according to your standards?
    - sevenzero 3mo ago
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    - SirHackalot 3mo ago
      Yes.
inigyou 3mo ago
The best way to create change is to create the conditions where change is necessary. If Elon causes Kessler syndrome in low earth orbit, it will quickly be illegal to launch satellites without permits.
- bdangubic 3mo ago
  did you read the article? it is already illegal to launch satellites without permission, hence the article (above the fold in the summary) is stating SpaceX applied for permission :)
  - k12sosse 3mo ago
    Asking permission from whom? The entire world or just the corrupt bonkers folks?
    - lowkey_ 3mo ago
      Someone said it would "quickly be illegal to launch satellites without permits", then you/they found out that is already illegal, and you nitpicked about who you need permission from. It feels like there's no feasible solution here that would please you guys. Should we all democratically vote on every satellite launched into space individually? It's already our elected representatives that approve it.
- parineum 3mo ago
  Kessler syndrome isn't possible in the StarLink orbit.
tgsovlerkhgsel 3mo ago
Does it really? Every time I heard the "we'll run out of space" FUD argument it was followed by a drastic increase of satellites in orbit with no issue...
- hnhg 3mo ago
  We're also facing a climate and pollutant crisis as a species so we seem only capable of thinking in the short term. We're not doing that well right now after only a brief period of industrialisation.
  - tticvs 3mo ago
    We're doing extremely well compared to an unimaginably long period of pre-industrialization.
    - hnhg 3mo ago
      In the short-term. Thanks for proving my point on perspective.
      - tticvs 3mo ago
        Yes, so let's think long term. How do we keep it rolling? Perhaps we will need to continue to advance our technology, especially moving industries to space where there is no ecosphere.
BurningFrog 3mo ago
There is nothing more abundant than the extra room there is in space! Earth orbit is more constrained, but it's very far from full. Geostationary orbits are about 20% full, but the rest is practically empty still.

Yea but it introduces a lot of issues for space travel and other satellites. The useful space in space we have is extremely limited. A single company shouldn't be able to just clutter space at will.

tticvs 3mo ago

1. That's not true. 2. It's not "at will" if you actually read the article you're commenting under you'd see it is about them _applying for a license_ to do something.

taotau 3mo ago
Taken literally you are technically correct, but... 1. Space is big, but LEO is not that big and if a single company clutters it enough, other organisations might start bumping into issues like 'if i don't get sign off from starlink corp, i might hit one of their satelites on the way up and my insurance wont cover that so I cant afford to launch given the risks of being sued by elon'. 2. Applying for a licence in this context, mostly means greasing the right palms (preferably the pudgy bruised ones).
- tticvs 3mo ago
  It introduces no issues for space travel. And what exactly do you want to happen here? LEO to stay empty because no one else is able to fill it and for spacex to not to try to expand because the regulatory process isn't perfect according to your standards?
  - sevenzero 3mo ago
    [dead]
  - SirHackalot 3mo ago
    Yes.

inigyou 3mo ago

The best way to create change is to create the conditions where change is necessary. If Elon causes Kessler syndrome in low earth orbit, it will quickly be illegal to launch satellites without permits.

bdangubic 3mo ago
did you read the article? it is already illegal to launch satellites without permission, hence the article (above the fold in the summary) is stating SpaceX applied for permission :)
- k12sosse 3mo ago
  Asking permission from whom? The entire world or just the corrupt bonkers folks?
  - lowkey_ 3mo ago
    Someone said it would "quickly be illegal to launch satellites without permits", then you/they found out that is already illegal, and you nitpicked about who you need permission from. It feels like there's no feasible solution here that would please you guys. Should we all democratically vote on every satellite launched into space individually? It's already our elected representatives that approve it.
parineum 3mo ago
Kessler syndrome isn't possible in the StarLink orbit.

tgsovlerkhgsel 3mo ago

Does it really? Every time I heard the "we'll run out of space" FUD argument it was followed by a drastic increase of satellites in orbit with no issue...

hnhg 3mo ago
We're also facing a climate and pollutant crisis as a species so we seem only capable of thinking in the short term. We're not doing that well right now after only a brief period of industrialisation.
- tticvs 3mo ago
  We're doing extremely well compared to an unimaginably long period of pre-industrialization.
  - hnhg 3mo ago
    In the short-term. Thanks for proving my point on perspective.
    - tticvs 3mo ago
      Yes, so let's think long term. How do we keep it rolling? Perhaps we will need to continue to advance our technology, especially moving industries to space where there is no ecosphere.

BurningFrog 3mo ago

There is nothing more abundant than the extra room there is in space! Earth orbit is more constrained, but it's very far from full. Geostationary orbits are about 20% full, but the rest is practically empty still.