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I looked this up and realised it’s the page I’d seen briefly on a range of websites lately. It’s not annoyed me at all. Not nearly as much as having to complete

I looked this up and realised it’s the page I’d seen briefly on a range of websites lately. It’s not annoyed me at all. Not nearly as much as having to complete captchas with slow refreshing tiles.

inigyou 4mo ago
A fun fact about Google captchas: they've often decided whether you will succeed or fail the captcha before you do the captcha.
- RickHull 4mo ago
  This seems nonsensical. Care to elaborate?
  - inigyou 4mo ago
    If Google determines you're an undesirable user, doing the captcha is just an exercise to waste your time.
    - boramalper 4mo ago
      I certainly experienced this (the vicious try-again cycle) but curious if you have any sources for this?
      - applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
        A person's testimony is a source. I can add mine: you can tell when you're truly blocked because if you click for the accessibility audio-based captcha it will actually tell you you're blocked (but, if you did the visual captcha, would simply loop forever while telling you you did it wrong). I don't think you'll find an article by Google saying "yes, we sometimes completely block users while making it look like they're not blocked and wasting their time".
    - herpdyderp 4mo ago
      That explains why I can never get past Google's captchas! I don't even automate Google searches, I wonder why they don't like me.
      - j027 4mo ago
        Depending on the IP reputation as well as the kind of IP address you have, this can happen. Google also prefers if you have a Google account logged in.
  - anon7000 4mo ago
    The captcha itself (matching pictures to text) is mostly for ML training data. I think pass/fail is mostly based on heuristics like how you moved your mouse which could get analyzed before you complete the captcha. https://www.techradar.com/news/captcha-if-you-can-how-youve-been-training-ai-for-years-without-realising-it https://www.techradar.com/news/captcha-if-you-can-how-youve-... reason why is 1. Google and others really needed the training data, and 2. it probably helped justify the cost of providing the captcha service for free worldwide (old free tier was 1M/mo)
    - acdha 4mo ago
      That was Louis von Ahn’s stated goal when he announced it - i think it was his NIPS (now NeurIPS) talk where he basically outlined the training data paying for the infrastructure as a fair exchange.
- zahllos 4mo ago
  I implemented something similar for my bot defences. If headless chrome is detected you still get the same anubis-style PoW but even if you submit the right answer you get rejected.
TomatoCo 4mo ago
I've usually been more annoyed at the surprise dissonance of "was that an anime girl on kernel.org?" than annoyed at the delay.
- deleted 4mo ago
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inigyou 4mo ago

A fun fact about Google captchas: they've often decided whether you will succeed or fail the captcha before you do the captcha.

RickHull 4mo ago
This seems nonsensical. Care to elaborate?
- inigyou 4mo ago
  If Google determines you're an undesirable user, doing the captcha is just an exercise to waste your time.
  - boramalper 4mo ago
    I certainly experienced this (the vicious try-again cycle) but curious if you have any sources for this?
    - applfanboysbgon 4mo ago
      A person's testimony is a source. I can add mine: you can tell when you're truly blocked because if you click for the accessibility audio-based captcha it will actually tell you you're blocked (but, if you did the visual captcha, would simply loop forever while telling you you did it wrong). I don't think you'll find an article by Google saying "yes, we sometimes completely block users while making it look like they're not blocked and wasting their time".
  - herpdyderp 4mo ago
    That explains why I can never get past Google's captchas! I don't even automate Google searches, I wonder why they don't like me.
    - j027 4mo ago
      Depending on the IP reputation as well as the kind of IP address you have, this can happen. Google also prefers if you have a Google account logged in.
- anon7000 4mo ago
  The captcha itself (matching pictures to text) is mostly for ML training data. I think pass/fail is mostly based on heuristics like how you moved your mouse which could get analyzed before you complete the captcha. https://www.techradar.com/news/captcha-if-you-can-how-youve-been-training-ai-for-years-without-realising-it https://www.techradar.com/news/captcha-if-you-can-how-youve-... reason why is 1. Google and others really needed the training data, and 2. it probably helped justify the cost of providing the captcha service for free worldwide (old free tier was 1M/mo)
  - acdha 4mo ago
    That was Louis von Ahn’s stated goal when he announced it - i think it was his NIPS (now NeurIPS) talk where he basically outlined the training data paying for the infrastructure as a fair exchange.
zahllos 4mo ago
I implemented something similar for my bot defences. If headless chrome is detected you still get the same anubis-style PoW but even if you submit the right answer you get rejected.

TomatoCo 4mo ago

I've usually been more annoyed at the surprise dissonance of "was that an anime girl on kernel.org?" than annoyed at the delay.

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