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The subject wasn't the creation of technology, it was the propensity of theocracies to beat the native out of natives. eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng

by defrost 4mo ago

The subject wasn't the creation of technology, it was the propensity of theocracies to beat the native out of natives. eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/06/canada-residential-schools-indigenous-children-cultural-genocide-map https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/06...

Chu4eeno 4mo ago
Isn't Canada a secular state? I think the grandparents point was to separate plain old xenophobia from religiously motivated erasure of culture.
- defrost 4mo ago
  The Vatican is a theocratic state, Catholic churches, schools, etc are effective theocracies. There's a long list of questionable behaviour, eg. enslavement for Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale
  - jsemrau 4mo ago
    There are more people enslaved now than at any point in time in history. Guess the countries.
    - defrost 4mo ago
      There are more people now than at any point in time in history. Meanwhile, in history, religions enslaved people. Returning to the point you keep dodging, that includes Christians.
      - jsemrau 4mo ago
        I don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. Slavery has been existed for centuries before and, despite being abolished by Western countries (hint: there were several wars were people lost lives), still exists in China, India, Indonesia, and a large group of Arab countries.
        defrost 4mo ago
        > I don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. I have no idea what that sentence is specifically meant to mean, that aside, western countries have had actual slavery and effective slavery both in the past and the present. eg: Past & actual: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale 'Present' (Post WWII) & effective: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-commission-perth/5413842 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-com... I don't mean to exclusively beat on Christians or just Catholics here; but I do intend to counter your apparent narrative of good Christians and evil Muslims. Christians certainly diminished a lot of cultures, just as other religions also did - the initial point that started this above.
        MomsAVoxell 4mo ago
        Slavery has not been abolished in the West. It has just been put behind walls that the general public do not usually care to see.
    - ghostDancer 4mo ago
      Capitalist countries all of them.
    - MomsAVoxell 4mo ago
      The USA has the world's greatest for-profit prison slave system in existence. There has never been as many slaves in humanity as there are in the US' prisons. What's that? Oh, they don't count because they're criminals?
jsemrau 4mo ago
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- defrost 4mo ago
  Be fair now, the Catholic Church hasn't always and consistently been a backward medieval deathcult - there have been periods of non Crusading, non Inquisition, not slaughtering Cathars, not trading in babies, etc.
  - jsemrau 4mo ago
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    - defrost 4mo ago
      Again, Christians have been just as appalling as any other religion. They've killed, enslaved, done their best to eliminate cultures, railed against miscegenation, etc. Not sure why you're working so hard to pretend o/wise.
      - wqaatwt 4mo ago
        To be fair in addition to the uncountable horrible things it did or took part in the Catholic church did build the foundations that allowed the concepts of modern scientific thought to develop. No other religion did that.
        ghostDancer 4mo ago
        And they burned quite people for defending the science that went against their beliefs. They only stopped when they thought it would be good for their economic profits. Exactly the same when they stopped protecting slavery, when they thought it would be good as they would get a lot of new followers and all the money and influence that would come with them.And all the fights that gave birth to the other Christian churches always for the same reasons power and money.

by defrost 4mo ago

Chu4eeno 4mo ago

Isn't Canada a secular state? I think the grandparents point was to separate plain old xenophobia from religiously motivated erasure of culture.

defrost 4mo ago
The Vatican is a theocratic state, Catholic churches, schools, etc are effective theocracies. There's a long list of questionable behaviour, eg. enslavement for Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale
- jsemrau 4mo ago
  There are more people enslaved now than at any point in time in history. Guess the countries.
  - defrost 4mo ago
    There are more people now than at any point in time in history. Meanwhile, in history, religions enslaved people. Returning to the point you keep dodging, that includes Christians.
    - jsemrau 4mo ago
      I don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. Slavery has been existed for centuries before and, despite being abolished by Western countries (hint: there were several wars were people lost lives), still exists in China, India, Indonesia, and a large group of Arab countries.
      - defrost 4mo ago
        > I don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. I have no idea what that sentence is specifically meant to mean, that aside, western countries have had actual slavery and effective slavery both in the past and the present. eg: Past & actual: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale 'Present' (Post WWII) & effective: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-commission-perth/5413842 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-com... I don't mean to exclusively beat on Christians or just Catholics here; but I do intend to counter your apparent narrative of good Christians and evil Muslims. Christians certainly diminished a lot of cultures, just as other religions also did - the initial point that started this above.
      - MomsAVoxell 4mo ago
        Slavery has not been abolished in the West. It has just been put behind walls that the general public do not usually care to see.
  - ghostDancer 4mo ago
    Capitalist countries all of them.
  - MomsAVoxell 4mo ago
    The USA has the world's greatest for-profit prison slave system in existence. There has never been as many slaves in humanity as there are in the US' prisons. What's that? Oh, they don't count because they're criminals?

jsemrau 4mo ago

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defrost 4mo ago
Be fair now, the Catholic Church hasn't always and consistently been a backward medieval deathcult - there have been periods of non Crusading, non Inquisition, not slaughtering Cathars, not trading in babies, etc.
- jsemrau 4mo ago
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  - defrost 4mo ago
    Again, Christians have been just as appalling as any other religion. They've killed, enslaved, done their best to eliminate cultures, railed against miscegenation, etc. Not sure why you're working so hard to pretend o/wise.
    - wqaatwt 4mo ago
      To be fair in addition to the uncountable horrible things it did or took part in the Catholic church did build the foundations that allowed the concepts of modern scientific thought to develop. No other religion did that.
      - ghostDancer 4mo ago
        And they burned quite people for defending the science that went against their beliefs. They only stopped when they thought it would be good for their economic profits. Exactly the same when they stopped protecting slavery, when they thought it would be good as they would get a lot of new followers and all the money and influence that would come with them.And all the fights that gave birth to the other Christian churches always for the same reasons power and money.