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"This isn't objective." Correct, and we are not pretending it is. We are not handing down a scientific verdict. Actually, you are doing rational investigation
by ttoinou 3mo ago
"This isn't objective." Correct, and we are not pretending it is. We are not handing down a scientific verdict.
Actually, you are doing rational investigation in a fuzzy probabilistic new/emergent space, with open sharing to the world. I don’t understand why people downplay themselves and put on a pedestal others supposedly serious sciences.
- adammarples 3mo agoBecause serious science is hard and valuable for its rigour, and shouldn't be compared with just poking at data to see what happens
- chris_money202 3mo agoDon't be fooled, there is politics, opinions, and less rigor in science as well.
- adammarples 3mo agoThe extent to which their are, is the extent to which that is not science
- ttoinou 3mo agoNo True Scotsman
- sfn42 3mo agoQualitative science is science.
- minimaxir 3mo agoIt's a preemptive defense against methodology cynicism seen often on sites including but not limited to Hacker News. I've been guilty of including such defenses myself over the years because I've gotten annoyed with receiving such cynicism. Look at the top comment on their previous HN submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48839886 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48839886
- dang 3mo agoUgh, that is bad, and I'm sorry I didn't see it at the top of the thread yesterday. Really, the deeper problem is the upvotes that cause such posts to rise to the top of a thread and stick there, drowning out curious conversation and giving people a bad impression of the entire community. Unfortunately, the upvote problem seems basically unsolvable - people don't do it consciously and it's very much a tragedy-of-the-commons problem. So we're stuck with moderation on the comments.
- sixhobbits 3mo agobecause if you don’t put this disclaimer the top comment is always "Acthually this isn't real science because you didn't publish your P value" so you can't win. also the article itself is clearly LLM generated though
- jakevoytko 3mo agoBecause for its entire existence, the top HN comment on articles is typically a contrarian take or pointing out flaws. This goes double for a study, where people just hunt for some aspect of the methodology they dislike. If you don't address the flaws, then it looks like you never considered them, and the top comment will say that your entire methodology is suspect. It's super predictable to the point that you can harness this kind of reaction to get stuff on the frontpage if you really want to.
- boondongle 3mo agoUltimately advocates exist for models and there are incredible financial incentives for some to be advocates, so authors are guaranteed someone being mad if their horse doesn't perform well. Given that type of reaction is inevitable, it just saves the conversation.
- tshaddox 3mo agoIndeed, although it is important to note that science is a proper subset of "using reason to solve problems."
- yieldcrv 3mo agotower defense against pedantic autists who miss the social cue of “does it matter?”