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Apple sues OpenAI, accusing it of stealing company secrets
- ViktorRay 3mo ago[flagged]
- zeusk 3mo agoHey, Silicon Valley is back to it's roots :)
- visarga 3mo agoCan't stand NYT ever since they subpoenaed for millions of chat logs from OpenAI, trashing user privacy for their own goals on a massive scale.
- eddyfromtheblok 3mo agoagree. more HN stories here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48864887 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48864887
- wilsonnb3 3mo agoWhat user privacy? There would be no chat logs to subpoena if users had privacy.
- threetonesun 3mo agoWhat were their "own goals", exactly? Why did you ever assume your chat logs were private on OpenAI?
- smotched 3mo agoSo you're okay with a data hoarding company building AGI having your data but not some journalists having <1% of it?
- CamperBob2 3mo ago...Yeah?
- smotched 3mo agowhy are you okay with the former
- CamperBob2 3mo agoBecause I'm impressed as hell with what the labs have done with the data they have, and I really couldn't care less how they got it. I've already contributed to their training set inadvertently by publishing open-source software and documentation over the years, and as long as they keep delivering the bang-for-the-buck that I'm seeing now with Fable and Sol, they are welcome to keep doing what they've been doing. More power to them. Corporate news media defending copyright maximalism with their dying breath, on the other hand... not so much. Continued progress in AI (and my continued access to it) is far more important than copyright law.
- smotched 3mo agoyou may be fine with these companies using your data and selling it back to you but you're also saying its not okay for others to not want to participate. basically people that actually create something of value should be forced to give up that value (not counting your shitty public repo that you call "OSS"). you don't even think they should pay a fair value to train on it, as long as you get create your shitty vibe coded slop, you don't care.
- CamperBob2 3mo agoCorrect, I don't care. The data they are "selling back to me" has been transformed and amplified beyond recognition in 99.999% of cases. Copyright is not a natural right. It's something we pulled out of our asses a few hundred years ago to make a few people rich. It can go right back where it came from, if it's going to impede progress for the rest. Don't fight AI, fight for access to it.
- tzs 3mo agoThe NYT doesn't get to see the logs. They will only be seen by the attorneys handling the lawsuit and possibly expert witnesses they hire, who all are under strong NDAs.
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- Herring 3mo ago[flagged]
- dang 3mo agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- Herring 3mo agoActually, I think I'm pretty much done here. Cynicism is a symptom https://alexriosme.substack.com/p/engineers-cynicism-is-a-symptom-not https://alexriosme.substack.com/p/engineers-cynicism-is-a-sy... Requesting a full ban please!
- ChrisArchitect 3mo agoSome more earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865019
- majestik 3mo ago[flagged]
- dang 3mo agoRelated ongoing thread: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48865019 - July 2026 (18 comments)
- vehbiemiroglu 3mo agoThat's incredibly audacious. Truly unbelievable. OpenAI won't be able to get away with it in the courts.