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You essentially described the Republican and Libertarian perspectives in the US. The Republicans seem to see it as immoral to potentially give a few people sup

You essentially described the Republican and Libertarian perspectives in the US. The Republicans seem to see it as immoral to potentially give a few people support they don't need even if that means that most of the people who need the support actually get it. And, instead, they believe that having an inconsistent array of private interests will somehow be more able to service an enormous population than having an organization (like government...) that is large enough to match that population's needs. The Libertarians seem to either genuinely not care about the rest of the world or, more often than not, seem to be naive about how life can be for the less privileged. It's the lie of the "rugged individualist" in America. Most "successful" people come from successful families. Social mobility, in the US, is part of that lie. Here, we celebrate the person who rises from poverty to become wealthy as a member of a sports team, or as an actor, or similar, while disregarding that these massive successes are outliers. I'm so often disappointed in my own country.

shimman 3mo ago
Sorry 'bub but the Democratic party is as much to blame as republicans. Neoliberalism has infected both parties and let us finally shed this fake reality that the democratic party is the party of labor and not corporations. Good news is that if you want the democratic party to become the party of labor, now is the absolutely best time to have a real impact in your community.
- sleight42 3mo ago
  The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. I will tar and feather the "right" constantly. The "left", here, is somewhat better. As you say, though, neoliberalism has infected both parties. Personally, I'll take the DSA over both. However, the population is unlikely to accept Sam's. And both political parties would sooner collude than accept the DSA as a modern inheritor of American Liberalism.
KetoManx64 3mo ago
> The Libertarians seem to either genuinely not care about the rest of the world or, more often than not, seem to be naive about how life can be for the less privileged No, they just put boundaries on what services they want handled by the government. Government programs are the least efficient and most wasteful way of getting a job done, and there are endless examples of this. Churches were historically the places people went to for assistance, and churches held people accountable and would push them to fix their underlying issues. Government programs have none of this, you can keep making the same bad decisions and nobody will hold you accountable and the benefits will keep coming in.
- expedition32 3mo ago
  Christianity died in my country because people got tired of the judgemental, hypocritical cunts. The child abuse scandals that hit later only confirmed it.
  - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
    It’s dying in the US too, just taking longer than other developed countries. https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-largest-world.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-l... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46484284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46484284
  - KetoManx64 3mo ago
    Worse than the child abuse scandals of goverment: - public school teachers sexually abusing their students - The Epstein files ?
    - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
      You’re attributing to government what is just the overwhelming population of perps in this context: predatory men. Sometimes teachers, very often religious institution participants; positions of power, trust, and/or authority used to control.
      - KetoManx64 3mo ago
        I am not. School teachers are predominantly women (around 90%), single parent homes are primarily run by women, women play the largest roles in the raising of children in genetal, and also make up about 35% of domestic abuse reports (not accounting for all the cases where men are too ashamed to report the abuse). Women commit just as much sexual abuse as men, it's just not talked about by society.
        toomuchtodo 3mo ago
        > Women commit just as much sexual abuse as men, it's just not talked about by society. Please provide a citation for this assertion. Here’s mine refuting it. https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY21.pdf https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu... https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-2-etiology-adult-sexual-offending https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-2-etiology-adult-sexual... https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/news/study-finds-one-10-men-has-sexually-offended-against-children https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/news/study-finds-one-10-...
cubano 3mo ago
It's interesting to note that very often these same Republicans have no issues at all with large tax-based incentives when they help their employers or knock some dollars off they yearly property tax bills. It just boggles my mind how the poor are supposed to be continually punished just for being poor and should always be denied, almost by rote, any sort of government aid because, you know, did you hear that story about that fentanyl addict who was found with THREE active EBT cards in his wallet? Yeah for sure...how dare some dirty addict should be able to eat!

shimman 3mo ago

Sorry 'bub but the Democratic party is as much to blame as republicans. Neoliberalism has infected both parties and let us finally shed this fake reality that the democratic party is the party of labor and not corporations. Good news is that if you want the democratic party to become the party of labor, now is the absolutely best time to have a real impact in your community.

sleight42 3mo ago
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. I will tar and feather the "right" constantly. The "left", here, is somewhat better. As you say, though, neoliberalism has infected both parties. Personally, I'll take the DSA over both. However, the population is unlikely to accept Sam's. And both political parties would sooner collude than accept the DSA as a modern inheritor of American Liberalism.

KetoManx64 3mo ago

> The Libertarians seem to either genuinely not care about the rest of the world or, more often than not, seem to be naive about how life can be for the less privileged No, they just put boundaries on what services they want handled by the government. Government programs are the least efficient and most wasteful way of getting a job done, and there are endless examples of this. Churches were historically the places people went to for assistance, and churches held people accountable and would push them to fix their underlying issues. Government programs have none of this, you can keep making the same bad decisions and nobody will hold you accountable and the benefits will keep coming in.

expedition32 3mo ago
Christianity died in my country because people got tired of the judgemental, hypocritical cunts. The child abuse scandals that hit later only confirmed it.
- toomuchtodo 3mo ago
  It’s dying in the US too, just taking longer than other developed countries. https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-largest-world.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-l... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46484284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46484284
- KetoManx64 3mo ago
  Worse than the child abuse scandals of goverment: - public school teachers sexually abusing their students - The Epstein files ?
  - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
    You’re attributing to government what is just the overwhelming population of perps in this context: predatory men. Sometimes teachers, very often religious institution participants; positions of power, trust, and/or authority used to control.
    - KetoManx64 3mo ago
      I am not. School teachers are predominantly women (around 90%), single parent homes are primarily run by women, women play the largest roles in the raising of children in genetal, and also make up about 35% of domestic abuse reports (not accounting for all the cases where men are too ashamed to report the abuse). Women commit just as much sexual abuse as men, it's just not talked about by society.
      - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
        > Women commit just as much sexual abuse as men, it's just not talked about by society. Please provide a citation for this assertion. Here’s mine refuting it. https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY21.pdf https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu... https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-2-etiology-adult-sexual-offending https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-2-etiology-adult-sexual... https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/news/study-finds-one-10-men-has-sexually-offended-against-children https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/news/study-finds-one-10-...

cubano 3mo ago

It's interesting to note that very often these same Republicans have no issues at all with large tax-based incentives when they help their employers or knock some dollars off they yearly property tax bills. It just boggles my mind how the poor are supposed to be continually punished just for being poor and should always be denied, almost by rote, any sort of government aid because, you know, did you hear that story about that fentanyl addict who was found with THREE active EBT cards in his wallet? Yeah for sure...how dare some dirty addict should be able to eat!