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> And I wouldn't care less. It's not harming me in any way, like it's not also harmful if they drink a bottle of beer on their way home in the subway, which is

by qxcv 14y ago

> And I wouldn't care less. It's not harming me in any way, like it's not also harmful if they drink a bottle of beer on their way home in the subway, which is totally accepted also. To claim that second-hand smoke is not harmful is utterly absurd. The same goes for alcohol consumption in public places. It's fine to have a drink on the subway, but who takes care of the shattered glass the following day[0]? If you're lucky, the local government will use ratepayer money to clean it up. If you're not lucky, it stays there indefinitely. Frankly, I think that those who drink or smoke in public are being totally inconsiderate of others. [0]: This wouldn't be such a big deal if glass bottles weren't so popular. Unfortunately, they are.

nickik 14y ago
So in your opinion everybody who drinks in public always makes a mess? I go to the lake with friends and drink often, but we clean up and put it in one of the public bins. Also one could argue that if the park is publicly owned it should be publicly cleaned. If you dont want the park getting dirty you should let people in there. > Frankly, I think that those who drink or smoke in public are being totally inconsiderate of others. I think you can make a argument for smoking inside (or bars for example) but in a public park. Also you have to understand berlin, even if smoking is not allowed in bars it is done in almost every bar, people seem to just have rejected the legislation.
- qxcv 14y ago
  > So in your opinion everybody who drinks in public always makes a mess? I go to the lake with friends and drink often, but we clean up and put it in one of the public bins. I was a bit harsh on drinkers. It is more smokers whom I have a beef with. What I should have said is that I feel as though a consistent approach to regulation of where glassware can and cannot be used is required. > Also one could argue that if the park is publicly owned it should be publicly cleaned. Perhaps that might be possible where you live, but it would never happen in my city. Most people here (including myself, I admit) simply don't have the necessary motivation to pick up broken glass unless it's in a place where they can't afford to ignore it (a playground, for example). I cycle-commute each day, and there has been a broken bottle sitting on one of the roads I use for the better part of a few months. The road in question has relatively little vehicle traffic, but is next to a small University and is part of a major bicycle corridor used by hundreds of cyclists each day. It would be trivially easy for just about any of the people who pass it to try and dispose of it properly, but nobody ever does. Annoyances like broken glass, buckled footpaths, etc. tend to just be ignored until somebody gets hurt. I'm not convinced that it would be possible (at least, not in the short term) to get a large number of residents to voluntarily take responsibility for fixing problems which they did not cause.
  - nickik 14y ago
    I dont mean public in the sence that goverment (witch ones the land) has to clean the land. Im totally ok for example with giving fines to people who do make a lot of shit around. I just kind of think that a park where you can not sit around drink and smoke with your friends is kind of pointless.

by qxcv 14y ago

nickik 14y ago

So in your opinion everybody who drinks in public always makes a mess? I go to the lake with friends and drink often, but we clean up and put it in one of the public bins. Also one could argue that if the park is publicly owned it should be publicly cleaned. If you dont want the park getting dirty you should let people in there. > Frankly, I think that those who drink or smoke in public are being totally inconsiderate of others. I think you can make a argument for smoking inside (or bars for example) but in a public park. Also you have to understand berlin, even if smoking is not allowed in bars it is done in almost every bar, people seem to just have rejected the legislation.

qxcv 14y ago
> So in your opinion everybody who drinks in public always makes a mess? I go to the lake with friends and drink often, but we clean up and put it in one of the public bins. I was a bit harsh on drinkers. It is more smokers whom I have a beef with. What I should have said is that I feel as though a consistent approach to regulation of where glassware can and cannot be used is required. > Also one could argue that if the park is publicly owned it should be publicly cleaned. Perhaps that might be possible where you live, but it would never happen in my city. Most people here (including myself, I admit) simply don't have the necessary motivation to pick up broken glass unless it's in a place where they can't afford to ignore it (a playground, for example). I cycle-commute each day, and there has been a broken bottle sitting on one of the roads I use for the better part of a few months. The road in question has relatively little vehicle traffic, but is next to a small University and is part of a major bicycle corridor used by hundreds of cyclists each day. It would be trivially easy for just about any of the people who pass it to try and dispose of it properly, but nobody ever does. Annoyances like broken glass, buckled footpaths, etc. tend to just be ignored until somebody gets hurt. I'm not convinced that it would be possible (at least, not in the short term) to get a large number of residents to voluntarily take responsibility for fixing problems which they did not cause.
- nickik 14y ago
  I dont mean public in the sence that goverment (witch ones the land) has to clean the land. Im totally ok for example with giving fines to people who do make a lot of shit around. I just kind of think that a park where you can not sit around drink and smoke with your friends is kind of pointless.