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I think this is unhealthy self-handicapping. Your "flow" is just habits, things you've taught yourself to do. You weren't born with the ability to use either a

by miyoji 3mo ago

I think this is unhealthy self-handicapping. Your "flow" is just habits, things you've taught yourself to do. You weren't born with the ability to use either a keyboard or a mouse, there is no "natural" or "intuitive" way to operate a computer. It's all 100% learned behaviors that can be altered.

qsera 3mo ago
>Your "flow" is just habits, things you've taught yourself to do By this logic a person who were comfortable with mouse should never grow to like VIM. > there is no "natural" or "intuitive" way to operate a computer. Fundamentally a computer is something that execute instructions. It is pretty poor interface to pick instructions from 100 options using a mouse as opposed to type it using a keyboard. A mouse hides the power of the computer behind a set of fixed clickable options. That is a pretty poor interface.
- miyoji 3mo ago
  > By this logic a person who were comfortable with mouse should never grow to like VIM. Quite the opposite, my argument is that habits are changeable. > Fundamentally a computer is something that execute instructions. It is pretty poor interface to pick instructions from 100 options using a mouse as opposed to type it using a keyboard. A mouse hides the power of the computer behind a set of fixed clickable options. That is a pretty poor interface. You continue to argue for my point. OP was claiming that measured efficiency does not matter because it's about "flow". I argue that one can teach oneself to flow differently, the commands can be learned.
  - bluGill 3mo ago
    Picking from 100 options is what the mouse is best for. Keyboards require learning so they are best for the options you do often enough to learn. I know about 10 different vi commands of the hundreds. There is more than selecting options. Selecting text is normally better with a mouse.
    - qsera 3mo ago
      >Keyboards require learning We are not talking about keyboard shortcuts (key combinations that you press to do something) by the way, and about the actual typing of commands in the terminal/shell/repl what ever...
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paytonjjones 3mo ago
> there is "natural" or "intuitive" Your argument is sound but this overstates your case a bit. There's a reason we don't type with our toes.

by miyoji 3mo ago

qsera 3mo ago

>Your "flow" is just habits, things you've taught yourself to do By this logic a person who were comfortable with mouse should never grow to like VIM. > there is no "natural" or "intuitive" way to operate a computer. Fundamentally a computer is something that execute instructions. It is pretty poor interface to pick instructions from 100 options using a mouse as opposed to type it using a keyboard. A mouse hides the power of the computer behind a set of fixed clickable options. That is a pretty poor interface.

miyoji 3mo ago
> By this logic a person who were comfortable with mouse should never grow to like VIM. Quite the opposite, my argument is that habits are changeable. > Fundamentally a computer is something that execute instructions. It is pretty poor interface to pick instructions from 100 options using a mouse as opposed to type it using a keyboard. A mouse hides the power of the computer behind a set of fixed clickable options. That is a pretty poor interface. You continue to argue for my point. OP was claiming that measured efficiency does not matter because it's about "flow". I argue that one can teach oneself to flow differently, the commands can be learned.
- bluGill 3mo ago
  Picking from 100 options is what the mouse is best for. Keyboards require learning so they are best for the options you do often enough to learn. I know about 10 different vi commands of the hundreds. There is more than selecting options. Selecting text is normally better with a mouse.
  - qsera 3mo ago
    >Keyboards require learning We are not talking about keyboard shortcuts (key combinations that you press to do something) by the way, and about the actual typing of commands in the terminal/shell/repl what ever...

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paytonjjones 3mo ago

> there is "natural" or "intuitive" Your argument is sound but this overstates your case a bit. There's a reason we don't type with our toes.