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It's so intriguing to me how confidently people state this. Millions of programmers out there, and you're saying there's not even a 1% chance that a single one
by adamtaylor_13 3mo ago
It's so intriguing to me how confidently people state this.
Millions of programmers out there, and you're saying there's not even a 1% chance that a single one of them is moving 10x faster?
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- sph 3mo ago> Millions of programmers out there, and you're saying there's not even a 1% chance that a single one of them is moving 10x faster Would that mean that every other claim to be moving 10x faster is an exaggeration? It evidently is, as these claims of massively increased productivity are purely anecdotal. If the claims were ‘5% productive across the board’, it would be huge, but 1000%? That is a ludicrous tall story that requires extraordinary proof.
- adamtaylor_13 3mo agoMy point still stands, the author is confidently stating something that's clearly just wrong. The alternative is that everyone is creating tech debt 10x as fast (while being completely oblivious to it.) It's pretty obvious that's not what's happening. To pretend otherwise would suggest that every software developer everywhere is completely unaware of what tech debt is AND that they don't care at all. Again: it's obviously wrong if we think about it for longer than 5 seconds. This is just pure emotional cope.
- tanseydavid 3mo agoCan you find one? Can you hire them? It is basically a "snipe-hunt".
- ben_w 3mo agoThanks to LLMs being good at writing CVs and cover letters, all job hunting right now is in the snipe-hunt danger-zone.
- spzb 3mo agoFaster != more productive.
- rerdavies 3mo agoWritten by a human != correct.
- spzb 3mo agoNever claimed it did
- adamtaylor_13 3mo agoThat's a pedantic word game. The industry at-large doesn't track lines of code as a measure of velocity. So, yes, faster does mean more productive, since that's what any sane programmer means when they say "I built it faster". They don't mean that they literally slapped the keyboard faster than someone else.
- spzb 3mo agoAnd yet "slapping the keyboard faster" is all that AI does. It doesn't design architecture. It doesn't think. It doesn't reason. All it does is search for and copy-paste code from elsewhere on the internet. If you're lucky it might even be code that works and does what you want it to.
- ben_w 3mo agoThis is mostly false. > It doesn't design architecture. It can do that. Won't say it's amazing, but it can do it. > It doesn't think. It doesn't reason. Can you define these in ways that aren't tautologically limited to humans? I have yet to encounter anyone who has managed this while making such an objection to any form of AI. > All it does is search for and copy-paste code from elsewhere on the internet. They provably don't work like that. Both because local models exist, can be run offline, still spit out code to solve problems; and because some world records have been set by them, for some CS-related maths problems the best known method was invented by an AI which used an LLM as a component. https://the-decoder.com/openais-ai-beats-every-human-at-atcoder-a-top-competitive-programming-contest/ https://the-decoder.com/openais-ai-beats-every-human-at-atco... https://deepmind.google/blog/alphaevolve-a-gemini-powered-coding-agent-for-designing-advanced-algorithms/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://deepmind.google/blog/alphaevolve-a-gemini-powered-co...