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I feel this way about most Hashi tools, they just seem massively overrated to me. Ghostty is fine I guess, I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fracti

I feel this way about most Hashi tools, they just seem massively overrated to me. Ghostty is fine I guess, I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fraction of the features. Zig is fine, has some cool stuff, the community seems roughly the same as the rust, with again just way less features. The rest of the hashi tools are fine, I don’t really use any of them anymore. Vault was a big deal at some point I guess

slekker 3mo ago
That's so dismissive, the HashiCorp products were a game changer in a world that had very little, Vault and Terraform are super widely used
- LtWorf 3mo ago
  Ah yeah… it was so fun when vault wouldn't let me store a 4096bit private key because it was too long, so I had to use 2048bit one instead. Peak software engineering right there.
  - mountainriver 2mo ago
    did you look cool using it though?
jeffyaw 3mo ago
i was an early vagrant user, a long time tf user, and 3 year nomad/consul user. but have moved on. cf now for aws & gcloud cli in scripts for gcp. and eks/gke instead of nomad.
firesteelrain 3mo ago
Vault can seem niche however it’s used a lot in high assurance environments given it is easily integrated with Thales HSMs and has FIPS compliance
- konart 3mo ago
  >niche Literally all companies I've worked for a know about use Vault for storing secrets to be used during deployment. It would be interesting to learn that this is different elsewhere.
  - pjmlp 3mo ago
    Yes, we always use the vault/secrets infrastructure of the respective cloud vendor. Never used the product Vault.
    - konart 3mo ago
      Yeah, I kind of failed to realise that some (many?) companies literally build around one of the cloud vendors.
  - firesteelrain 3mo ago
    If in Cloud, then go Cloud native. No reason to run Vault. But on prem, there are limited options and Vault fits the bill. If you want auto unseal with HSM and don't have to worry about the unseal key shards, then you can hook it up the HSM. Of course, HSMs are expensive and you also have to buy a Vault license.
    - konart 3mo ago
      Oh, I never thought about the "in Cloud" part.
mdgld 3mo ago
What features from iterm do you miss? I’ve found ghostty to be more performant and aesthetically pleasing and haven’t missed anything
adrian_b 3mo ago
I have discovered Ghostty only this year, and I have switched to it a few months ago. For decades, I have used a great number of video terminal emulators. I have used for long time intervals at least 8 or 9 video terminal emulators, from the original xterm until the one used immediately before ghostty, which was kitty (and including Konsole, the Gnome terminal, the XFCE terminal, WezTerm and others). I consider Ghostty the best video terminal emulator that I have used. For now, I have not encountered any noticeable bug yet, even if I spend a lot of time using it. Nor have I encountered any feature that I really miss (though a few things that worked in other emulators, do not work, at least not with the default configuration, e.g. setting the title of a tab window with the standard escape sequence of characters; but the ghostty titles are fine, i.e. the pwd value while in shell and the invoked command otherwise). I do not doubt that there may exist some bugs or missing features, but it seems unlikely that they can be seen during typical workflows. I have used it only in Linux, so I do not know anything about bugs under macOS.
- torginus 3mo ago
  I use the terminal that happens to be at hand, which is usually the one that ships with the OS, or the one in VSCode. I don't have high demands on the terminal, and I don't understand what problems are there to solve, as long as it handles unicode and control sequences correctly.
  - swiftcoder 3mo ago
    > I don't understand what problems are there to solve, as long as it handles unicode and control sequences correctly. It turns out its not 1986 anymore, and sometimes we want to output gasp images to our terminals
    - torginus 3mo ago
      Huh. I never knew that was a thing. Although sounds cool. Though if you do that, or take something like a ncurses UI, and start turning it into something nicer, at what point do you have something that's not a terminal? But I guess there's promise in having something that's like a Jupyter notebook, but for files.
flohofwoe 3mo ago
> I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fraction of the features. Hmm... I'm using ghostty (on macOS) since it was released and have yet to encounter a single bug. Iterm2 simply got too fat and slow over time, which was the point where I went terminal-shopping (first wezterm, which is also fine, now sticking with ghostty).
- sethammons 3mo ago
  I was experiencing daily crashes of ghostty on mac with no crash report, always during claude sessions, and after the crash, I'd lose my session. Though, now we can cmd+f to search ghostty output as of the most recent version.
latexr 3mo ago
You’re making it seem like fewer features is a negative, but that’s not always the case. Even for programming languages, I can think of how I semi-regularly see people lamenting that Swift got too complex, while praising Go for being a small language.

slekker 3mo ago

That's so dismissive, the HashiCorp products were a game changer in a world that had very little, Vault and Terraform are super widely used

LtWorf 3mo ago
Ah yeah… it was so fun when vault wouldn't let me store a 4096bit private key because it was too long, so I had to use 2048bit one instead. Peak software engineering right there.
- mountainriver 2mo ago
  did you look cool using it though?

jeffyaw 3mo ago

i was an early vagrant user, a long time tf user, and 3 year nomad/consul user. but have moved on. cf now for aws & gcloud cli in scripts for gcp. and eks/gke instead of nomad.

firesteelrain 3mo ago

Vault can seem niche however it’s used a lot in high assurance environments given it is easily integrated with Thales HSMs and has FIPS compliance

konart 3mo ago
>niche Literally all companies I've worked for a know about use Vault for storing secrets to be used during deployment. It would be interesting to learn that this is different elsewhere.
- pjmlp 3mo ago
  Yes, we always use the vault/secrets infrastructure of the respective cloud vendor. Never used the product Vault.
  - konart 3mo ago
    Yeah, I kind of failed to realise that some (many?) companies literally build around one of the cloud vendors.
- firesteelrain 3mo ago
  If in Cloud, then go Cloud native. No reason to run Vault. But on prem, there are limited options and Vault fits the bill. If you want auto unseal with HSM and don't have to worry about the unseal key shards, then you can hook it up the HSM. Of course, HSMs are expensive and you also have to buy a Vault license.
  - konart 3mo ago
    Oh, I never thought about the "in Cloud" part.

mdgld 3mo ago

What features from iterm do you miss? I’ve found ghostty to be more performant and aesthetically pleasing and haven’t missed anything

adrian_b 3mo ago

I have discovered Ghostty only this year, and I have switched to it a few months ago. For decades, I have used a great number of video terminal emulators. I have used for long time intervals at least 8 or 9 video terminal emulators, from the original xterm until the one used immediately before ghostty, which was kitty (and including Konsole, the Gnome terminal, the XFCE terminal, WezTerm and others). I consider Ghostty the best video terminal emulator that I have used. For now, I have not encountered any noticeable bug yet, even if I spend a lot of time using it. Nor have I encountered any feature that I really miss (though a few things that worked in other emulators, do not work, at least not with the default configuration, e.g. setting the title of a tab window with the standard escape sequence of characters; but the ghostty titles are fine, i.e. the pwd value while in shell and the invoked command otherwise). I do not doubt that there may exist some bugs or missing features, but it seems unlikely that they can be seen during typical workflows. I have used it only in Linux, so I do not know anything about bugs under macOS.

torginus 3mo ago
I use the terminal that happens to be at hand, which is usually the one that ships with the OS, or the one in VSCode. I don't have high demands on the terminal, and I don't understand what problems are there to solve, as long as it handles unicode and control sequences correctly.
- swiftcoder 3mo ago
  > I don't understand what problems are there to solve, as long as it handles unicode and control sequences correctly. It turns out its not 1986 anymore, and sometimes we want to output gasp images to our terminals
  - torginus 3mo ago
    Huh. I never knew that was a thing. Although sounds cool. Though if you do that, or take something like a ncurses UI, and start turning it into something nicer, at what point do you have something that's not a terminal? But I guess there's promise in having something that's like a Jupyter notebook, but for files.

flohofwoe 3mo ago

> I find it to be way buggier than iterm with a fraction of the features. Hmm... I'm using ghostty (on macOS) since it was released and have yet to encounter a single bug. Iterm2 simply got too fat and slow over time, which was the point where I went terminal-shopping (first wezterm, which is also fine, now sticking with ghostty).

sethammons 3mo ago
I was experiencing daily crashes of ghostty on mac with no crash report, always during claude sessions, and after the crash, I'd lose my session. Though, now we can cmd+f to search ghostty output as of the most recent version.

latexr 3mo ago

You’re making it seem like fewer features is a negative, but that’s not always the case. Even for programming languages, I can think of how I semi-regularly see people lamenting that Swift got too complex, while praising Go for being a small language.