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Show HN: Reviving my 2001 college band with AI

58 points by jacobgraf 3mo ago

25 years ago, I joined a band called Fading Maize at Ripon College in Wisconsin. We did what we could with what we had. We recorded 3 albums over the next 3 years and played at as many bars and coffee shops as we could. We built a website with Microsoft Frontpage. Then we went our separate ways, got married, had kids, focused on other things. Earlier this year I had the idea to approach the lead singer who wrote all of the lyrics and melodies to the stuff we played back then, and wanted to "reimagine" everything in 2026 using AI. That's the project I want to share here! The site has a before/after player where you can flip between the original dorm-room recording and the 2026 version mid-song without losing your place, so you can hear exactly what changed. The original 2001 website is preserved and browsable at https://www.fadingmaize.com/2001 https://www.fadingmaize.com/2001, rough edges intact. Working on this, the thing that sparked in my own mind is that it was an experiment in a certain way to use AI. The songs, lyrics, and arrangements are the original human work (in this case from 2001-2003). We wrote the lyrics, we created the melodies, we played the parts, it just didn't sound as good as we heard it in our own heads. The stuff AI creates is awesome, but it means less if it's just the AI cranking everything out from the ground up. In our case, the AI was only there to help us get the results we originally wanted back in 2001 when we were cooking ramen in our dorm rooms and couldn't afford anything fancy Being fully transparent about our use of AI, sticking tightly to our original lyrics and melodies, but making full use of AI to give us the studio, session players, and production budget we never had seemed like the right balance of concerns. I'm super proud of how it turned out and the transparency we've used along the way. Happy to discuss the audio pipeline, the site (Next.js), or what it's like to A/B your 20-year-old self! p.s. Oh and check this out! I remember this day. Our site was getting absolutely hammered! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJWlnN9tSE&t=43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJWlnN9tSE&t=43

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vunderba 3mo ago
Nice - I've done similar things with some of my music [1]. I have a classical piece I wrote over a decade ago for piano [2] (it’s the instrument I play), but it was always intended to be an orchestral work. Using AI allowed me to sonically experiment with a stringed score which was pretty cool. It’s basically the equivalent of taking a piece you’ve written and running it through an arranger keyboard or Band-in-a-Box on steroids. [1] - https://mordenstar.com/blog/dutyfree-shop https://mordenstar.com/blog/dutyfree-shop [2] - https://mordenstar.com/blog/screwdriver-sonata https://mordenstar.com/blog/screwdriver-sonata
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  That's great. AI is a tricky beast. It can be used for good or evil. I had a lot of convictions while working on this project and my soul is resting easy with how we navigated things!
causality0 3mo ago
Have you considered processing the original recordings using AI? I've witnessed some truly amazing results. I've had twenty year old Skype call recordings sound like we were sitting in a recording studio.
- zxlk21e 3mo ago
  how do you do that? I'd love for it to be not-as-generative with music.
  - causality0 3mo ago
    Depends on if you're willing to pay or not. You can do it alright locally with DeepFilterNet but honestly the best quality comes from Adobe Podcast's AI Enhance function.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  Yes, that's exactly what we did here. We fed the originals to AI, but we did give it wiggle room to make a cover version and not follow the original exactly. I think I will play around with running a few tracks through and telling it to follow as close as possible to the original and see how it sounds!
koolba 3mo ago
That video from 2004 is so refreshing. It’s just two people talking without asking me to “please subscribe” every 30-seconds.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
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- jacobgraf 3mo ago
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- grdjjhgggg 3mo ago
  Yeah, I thought maybe everyone was being negative but wow. It’s _sad_ to think of music moving towards this “revival” style. More a wake than a revival. The death of human music. Sad and awful.
- dang 3mo ago
  Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and especially https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html and stick to the rules? You broke them with this. We're particularly trying to avoid comments that respond to other people's work with snark, putdowns, and/or dismissiveness. You don't have to like or appreciate every post, but poisoning the commons is not an ok way to handle that. (By "you" of course I don't just mean you personally, but everyone here.)
- claaams 3mo ago
  I thought this was exaggerating but what happened to making art for arts sake. Nearly every time I hear or see AI art its extremely painful to me (with very few exceptions). I suppose it will get to the point of plastic surgery where the well crafted AI art will start to be difficult to discern from real art and at that point, maybe humanity should hang up the towel. All that is to say, I like the originals so much more and would never in all eternity listen to the AI crafted stuff for listening enjoyment. I want to forget the AI versions like I had never heard them.
NikolaNovak 3mo ago
Hi! Thx for sharing :). I've read the "how revival works" section, but still have no idea "how the revival works". ("We've used ai" is all I got from both this intro on HN and the we pages I read, though possible I missed some section.) Can you share? I.e. Did you take original audio recordings and run it though some audio chain that optimizes the mix and volumes? Did you put the sheets and lyrics into ableton and recreate the music? Did you feed audio files into chatgpt and prompt "make it better"? Something else? In the interest of transparency, understanding what happened here will significantly guide my own emotional response :). I appreciate the details of 5 core principles, but spending so much time on principles without actual detail on what got done makes me skeptical and even cynical, which may not be the intent. For example, I personally distinguish between a raw photo, edited photo, composite image, and AI regenerated image, and one of the things I'm trying to understand is the path / traceability from human to final audio file. Thx!
999900000999 3mo ago
I’m not really a fan here. I want to be able to rap like Twista. If I use AI to change my voice and speed it up, it’s kinda fake. Where’s the originality in that. I’ll never be *that good*, but I have fun doing it. Now I guess using AI strictly for mastering is OK , but even then the results haven’t been good for me.
- CSaponara 3mo ago
  “But I have fun doing it.” I think you nailed it here. The originality happened 25 years ago. That was fun! Then 25 years passed, life went on, and this project gave two old friends a reason to reconnect and see what the technology could do with our old songs. That was fun too!
  - low_tech_love 3mo ago
    Hey, I gotta say that reading your actual original words feels much more interesting than whatever is that artificial slop on your website!
    - jacobgraf 3mo ago
      Yeah, I built the website, but with a day job and 4 kids and about 64 other things going on, I did heavily lean into AI for the copy. :-)
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- 0gs 3mo ago
  it's pretty easy to make words that fast once you have the words written, fwiw. mostly breath control and there are things you think you could never do and you'll be doing it after a few times practicing. now writing the lyrics is a bit harder. twista is great
TrackerFF 3mo ago
The revived (AI) versions have this...thin and hollow sound to it. It is difficult to explain, most AI-generated songs have this when they're modelling acoustic drums, stringed instruments, etc. FWIW, I'm (now a hobby) musician and have done studio work. Even the latest and best models have this unmistakable sound.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  Totally agree. I guess that's what comes with the AI/robot stuff. Hopefully we'll be able to create an in-person album again, but with a little higher production quality than our dorm room versions.
- CSaponara 3mo ago
  Agreed. As someone who had never dove much into AI, it was a great learning process to experience first hand its limitations and tendencies.
01284a7e 3mo ago
The web stuff is well done. Now, with this newly created momentum, you should re-record the songs now, without AI. Hell, you could probably afford an awesome studio and equipment too. You could easily blow the AI out of the water.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  I'd love that. We hope to. We live on opposite sides of the country now. The AI stuff was a great, nostalgic kick-off for us. We don't plan on using AI like this as our only way of making music, but it was a great project to work on. We'd love to write some new stuff and play live again. Hopefully soon!
jrickert 3mo ago
I think this is a super intriguing project! I’ve been experimenting with some similar work on my old unfinished songs from eons past. It’s been really fulfilling to take that old work and see the original vision spring to life through modern tools.
- CSaponara 3mo ago
  I think that is one of our biggest takeaways with this. The goal was never to make AI music just to get tons of streams. We were curious! And now we get to share these reimagined versions with friends and family and rekindle some great memories from back in the day.
  - jacobgraf 3mo ago
    Exactly. Even if just for Chuck and I, this was something both of us needed. It brought a lot of positivity to each of our lives for a lot of different reasons.
Marha01 3mo ago
Good idea! Both versions sound great, in their own way. I might have to revisit some of my old songs...
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  Appreciate it!
erikschoster 3mo ago
The original recordings sound much better and more interesting to me. Way better. The AI generated versions sound slicker in some sense but... like the re-recorded versions of old hit songs from the 60s you hear at the grocery store sometimes. Technically the song is still there, but it blends in with the rest of the muzak. I'm sorry to be so negative, it's great you're returning to the material after all these years, but the AI versions I've listened to all have the same smoothed-over quality that loses everything interesting and relatable to my ears in the original versions.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  I get it. Recorded music is a lot of fun to play and listen to. This still was a fun project for us to work on together after 25-years and with both of us living on opposite ends of the country. Hopefully our next release will be an in-person recording! I gotta brag on Chuck a bit more though. I do love the depth to his lyrics and the way he puts them to melodies. I think his stuff, at the core, is excellent. Can't wait to work on some new stuff!
- AnthonyR 3mo ago
  I'm glad to hear people share this sentiment. I think the human quality will be part of what people will start to enjoy more about music now that AI has improved so much in terms of it's ability to produce highly polished songs.
  - AlecSchueler 3mo ago
    This is my hope as well but I'm doubtful. I'd expect it's more likely that the generations growing up with this stuff will enjoy being able to annoy their elders with it and fully embrace the human-less aesthetic.
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- ToucanLoucan 3mo ago
  My girlfriend has been using an AI music generator and like, her music is the best generative music I've listened to. Her prompts are crazy, lots of actual like, music theory and specific requests. That said, it still shares these qualities. It sounds like AI images look. Oversmoothed/overtuned. Like as a creative myself, what AI has taught me more than anything is that a lot of what we call artistry happens in the friction between an artist and their tools, when they're pushing to the limit of what they know how to and what their tools are able to do, that's where the great shit is. And it's not even that AI is a bad tool necessarily, it just doesn't create any friction. It can be frustrating, for sure, when you just can't get it to do what you want, but it's not an interesting frustration like friction because you aren't the problem, nor your skill: the tool is the problem. That probably sounds like I'm saying it's bad and again, no. I'm saying the friction between the artist and their tools is the interesting part, and because there's very little friction, meaningfully, between artists and AI tools, it just comes out... boring. The push for generative AI is "you can make anything," and that's true. But if you can make anything, then by necessity, anything you make is unimpressive. It's only really impressive if you're not sure if you can make it.
efficax 3mo ago
We're about the same age, I was even in a band at a small liberal arts college in the great lakes area in 2003. AI can't bring it back, and the stuff the music AI has created here sounds terrible to me.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  Thanks for listening anyway. Personally, I like the stuff and love jamming out to it in my car, but hey, I may have a bit of nostalgia-bias.
khr 3mo ago
Interesting idea, and it sounds like you like the results, so kudos. My musical taste tends toward less produced, rougher/lo-fi recordings, e.g. Guided By Voices. So, it follows that I prefer the original recordings. There is one aspect that I find slightly dehumanizing -- the AI changed the singer's voice so drastically that I don't recognize the original singer anymore. The uniqueness of the voice has been smoothed out to be much more generic. For me, music (and art in general) is in part an expression of one's identity, so I'd consider this a negative outcome. I'm sure similar things could be said of the instrument performances as well. But again, this is all just my two cents, and it's a matter of taste. Ultimately if you're happy with the results, that's what matters!
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  Completely agree. We tried feeding his voice in and using that as a voice model and it actually sounded even further away from his actual voice so we nixed it. We uploaded our original tracks as a reference, so there were some notes that left me feeling like "that sounds like Chuck", but for the most part, yeah, it's pretty far off.
quietfox 3mo ago
As a first reaction, I loved the idea, since I have had a handful of bands in my life and really loved how you revived (or aimed to revive) the old days with modern tools. I really liked the web design and nostalgia of the old photos combined with the possibilities of new technology. Then I hit play. AI sucked the soul out of your music. I am happy for you if you liked the results. But for me, each of the comparisons proved me right to loathe AI music.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  We appreciate you listening anyway! I enjoy the music, but it's definitely not for everybody!
LastTrain 3mo ago
I'll also use AI to revive your 2001 college band, no you needed!
peab 3mo ago
This is great! I disagree with some of the commenters here that the originals sound better. The originals sound very much like demos, and from a producer's perspective are very low quality (no offense). They're definitely more raw, but objectively not as good - i.e harmonies aren't tight, the levels are not well balanced, etc. It's funny that people hate that AI can improve this, because even without AI, modern music uses a ton of digital tools to mix and master - and true musicians don't care whether it's digital or not. These commenters would be the same people who boo-ed bob dylan when he went electric. Look at John Mayer - he uses AI to model amps, instead of lugging around giant heavy tube amps. Question for you - what was the workflow exactly? I've been wanting to test out some AI tools to do similar things with my music.
- citizenpaul 3mo ago
  I agree. I think there are a lot of haters here. The remaster sounds much more professional/complete. I guess I could see that some people may have preference for a sorta live show feel but I've always preferred the album versions. Maybe I had too many friends that made me listen to their bad demo albums when I was young and I'm traumatized ha.
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- dang 3mo ago
  Whoa - you can't attack other users like that here, regardless of how strongly you feel about a topic like AI. It's against the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and especially against the Show HN guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html). If you'd please review those and not post like this again, we'd appreciate it. If you'd like to make your substantive points thoughtfully, that's fine.
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lukas9 3mo ago
This is awesome, though I have to agree with some other commenters. I like the originals more. Don't really know why, but they just sound more "refreshing" and "original".
vova_hn2 3mo ago
I'm sorry to say, but in the both examples on the page I liked the original version more. In the first example guitars sound very lively, like I'm actually listening to someone playing live. Very warm and cosy feeling. 2026 version is just some standard over-produced pop-music, that I would have completely ignored if I heard it "in the wild". In the second example, 2003 vocal performance might be not perfect from a technique perspective, but I can hear real emotion in his voice. 2026 version sounds very bland, just like every other song that I might here on a pop-radio. I want to say that I am not an anti-AI fanatic, I am generally curious about new ways to use technology (including gen-AI, but not limited to it) to create art. So I am not coming from "it's AI, therefore it's bad" perspective. I genuinely tried to listen with open mind and hear the music without thinking too much about how exactly it was created.
- CSaponara 3mo ago
  I appreciate that perspective! A next step might be to record the songs again, stripped down to their original elements (acoustic guitar , for example), but with modern recording and producing equipment. That would be a fun 2003 dorm room—>2026 AI assisted—>2026 authentic comparison!
josefritzishere 3mo ago
If you want to know the truth, the AI versions are not good. Every decibel of authenticity has been processed out of it; sacrificed in the quest for CHR style production. The mismatch is almost discordant.
TurdF3rguson 3mo ago
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
BoingBoomTschak 3mo ago
"Hello, I have no soul, nice to meet you!"
waffletower 3mo ago
A and B examples are convincingly "human". It is complete nonsense to say otherwise. The AI versions are simply giving the music a kind of commercial streamline production treatment; treatment that many listeners need to accept the music as viable. Some will fight brutally to hide this need here. No offense, but both a and b are thoroughly cliché. The AI is not sucking away some grand uniqueness of expression here. I have heard both raw and produced countless times. Humans are generative AIs already -- fighting machines that do it is ironic and dishonest. Sure the AI process may be robbing some of the "honesty" of the performance. But you guys aren't unique like Daniel Johnston when you are unfiltered so I don't see a problem with either version. The studio is a place of magic and sonic makeup. If you want to wear makeup, go for it.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  This comment is probably the closest one to my own thoughts and beliefs as well. Thanks for writing it so eloquently.
batch12 3mo ago
Interesting concept. I've been playing with using agents to modernize finish the ~200 projects I started. Next will be the idea pile...
nickandbro 3mo ago
The originals are way better. The AI songs I can tell have a ghost in the shell. It’s like whatever uniqueness of the original was polished out.
- Caracas288 3mo ago
  The other way around, surely? The ‘ghost’ being the soul, absent in purely robotic beings. Yes, it’s hard to accept that for many, the notion of quality is conflated with uniformity of texture. It’s a fun website nevertheless, interesting project.
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bialamusic 3mo ago
It is sad that the only way to catch attention these days is to add AI to the mix... You had a good time back then!
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phendrenad2 3mo ago
Saw a post on X that showed that AI images and videos have uniform entropy across the entire image, making them easy to detect. I've been unable to "unsee" this across all AI generated things, not just images and videos: It shows up in audio and AI voice (which is why AI has such a weird "compressed" speaking cadence), writing (AI is bad at writing "slow" sections in books, it's non-stop things happening at exactly the same intervals), and I'm sure it applies to coding also somehow. In the AI version, which I think is inferior to the original human version here, the AI has "filled in all the gaps" and it feels like an endless plateau with no end (AI is also bad at wrapping up songs, lol)

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vunderba 3mo ago

Nice - I've done similar things with some of my music [1]. I have a classical piece I wrote over a decade ago for piano [2] (it’s the instrument I play), but it was always intended to be an orchestral work. Using AI allowed me to sonically experiment with a stringed score which was pretty cool. It’s basically the equivalent of taking a piece you’ve written and running it through an arranger keyboard or Band-in-a-Box on steroids. [1] - https://mordenstar.com/blog/dutyfree-shop https://mordenstar.com/blog/dutyfree-shop [2] - https://mordenstar.com/blog/screwdriver-sonata https://mordenstar.com/blog/screwdriver-sonata

jacobgraf 3mo ago
That's great. AI is a tricky beast. It can be used for good or evil. I had a lot of convictions while working on this project and my soul is resting easy with how we navigated things!

causality0 3mo ago

Have you considered processing the original recordings using AI? I've witnessed some truly amazing results. I've had twenty year old Skype call recordings sound like we were sitting in a recording studio.

zxlk21e 3mo ago
how do you do that? I'd love for it to be not-as-generative with music.
- causality0 3mo ago
  Depends on if you're willing to pay or not. You can do it alright locally with DeepFilterNet but honestly the best quality comes from Adobe Podcast's AI Enhance function.
jacobgraf 3mo ago
Yes, that's exactly what we did here. We fed the originals to AI, but we did give it wiggle room to make a cover version and not follow the original exactly. I think I will play around with running a few tracks through and telling it to follow as close as possible to the original and see how it sounds!

koolba 3mo ago

That video from 2004 is so refreshing. It’s just two people talking without asking me to “please subscribe” every 30-seconds.

jacobgraf 3mo ago
Link in bio
jacobgraf 3mo ago
lmfao

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grdjjhgggg 3mo ago
Yeah, I thought maybe everyone was being negative but wow. It’s _sad_ to think of music moving towards this “revival” style. More a wake than a revival. The death of human music. Sad and awful.
dang 3mo ago
Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and especially https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html and stick to the rules? You broke them with this. We're particularly trying to avoid comments that respond to other people's work with snark, putdowns, and/or dismissiveness. You don't have to like or appreciate every post, but poisoning the commons is not an ok way to handle that. (By "you" of course I don't just mean you personally, but everyone here.)
claaams 3mo ago
I thought this was exaggerating but what happened to making art for arts sake. Nearly every time I hear or see AI art its extremely painful to me (with very few exceptions). I suppose it will get to the point of plastic surgery where the well crafted AI art will start to be difficult to discern from real art and at that point, maybe humanity should hang up the towel. All that is to say, I like the originals so much more and would never in all eternity listen to the AI crafted stuff for listening enjoyment. I want to forget the AI versions like I had never heard them.

NikolaNovak 3mo ago

Hi! Thx for sharing :). I've read the "how revival works" section, but still have no idea "how the revival works". ("We've used ai" is all I got from both this intro on HN and the we pages I read, though possible I missed some section.) Can you share? I.e. Did you take original audio recordings and run it though some audio chain that optimizes the mix and volumes? Did you put the sheets and lyrics into ableton and recreate the music? Did you feed audio files into chatgpt and prompt "make it better"? Something else? In the interest of transparency, understanding what happened here will significantly guide my own emotional response :). I appreciate the details of 5 core principles, but spending so much time on principles without actual detail on what got done makes me skeptical and even cynical, which may not be the intent. For example, I personally distinguish between a raw photo, edited photo, composite image, and AI regenerated image, and one of the things I'm trying to understand is the path / traceability from human to final audio file. Thx!

999900000999 3mo ago

I’m not really a fan here. I want to be able to rap like Twista. If I use AI to change my voice and speed it up, it’s kinda fake. Where’s the originality in that. I’ll never be *that good*, but I have fun doing it. Now I guess using AI strictly for mastering is OK , but even then the results haven’t been good for me.

CSaponara 3mo ago
“But I have fun doing it.” I think you nailed it here. The originality happened 25 years ago. That was fun! Then 25 years passed, life went on, and this project gave two old friends a reason to reconnect and see what the technology could do with our old songs. That was fun too!
- low_tech_love 3mo ago
  Hey, I gotta say that reading your actual original words feels much more interesting than whatever is that artificial slop on your website!
  - jacobgraf 3mo ago
    Yeah, I built the website, but with a day job and 4 kids and about 64 other things going on, I did heavily lean into AI for the copy. :-)
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0gs 3mo ago
it's pretty easy to make words that fast once you have the words written, fwiw. mostly breath control and there are things you think you could never do and you'll be doing it after a few times practicing. now writing the lyrics is a bit harder. twista is great

TrackerFF 3mo ago

The revived (AI) versions have this...thin and hollow sound to it. It is difficult to explain, most AI-generated songs have this when they're modelling acoustic drums, stringed instruments, etc. FWIW, I'm (now a hobby) musician and have done studio work. Even the latest and best models have this unmistakable sound.

jacobgraf 3mo ago
Totally agree. I guess that's what comes with the AI/robot stuff. Hopefully we'll be able to create an in-person album again, but with a little higher production quality than our dorm room versions.
CSaponara 3mo ago
Agreed. As someone who had never dove much into AI, it was a great learning process to experience first hand its limitations and tendencies.

01284a7e 3mo ago

The web stuff is well done. Now, with this newly created momentum, you should re-record the songs now, without AI. Hell, you could probably afford an awesome studio and equipment too. You could easily blow the AI out of the water.

jacobgraf 3mo ago
I'd love that. We hope to. We live on opposite sides of the country now. The AI stuff was a great, nostalgic kick-off for us. We don't plan on using AI like this as our only way of making music, but it was a great project to work on. We'd love to write some new stuff and play live again. Hopefully soon!

jrickert 3mo ago

I think this is a super intriguing project! I’ve been experimenting with some similar work on my old unfinished songs from eons past. It’s been really fulfilling to take that old work and see the original vision spring to life through modern tools.

CSaponara 3mo ago
I think that is one of our biggest takeaways with this. The goal was never to make AI music just to get tons of streams. We were curious! And now we get to share these reimagined versions with friends and family and rekindle some great memories from back in the day.
- jacobgraf 3mo ago
  Exactly. Even if just for Chuck and I, this was something both of us needed. It brought a lot of positivity to each of our lives for a lot of different reasons.

Marha01 3mo ago

Good idea! Both versions sound great, in their own way. I might have to revisit some of my old songs...

jacobgraf 3mo ago
Appreciate it!

erikschoster 3mo ago

The original recordings sound much better and more interesting to me. Way better. The AI generated versions sound slicker in some sense but... like the re-recorded versions of old hit songs from the 60s you hear at the grocery store sometimes. Technically the song is still there, but it blends in with the rest of the muzak. I'm sorry to be so negative, it's great you're returning to the material after all these years, but the AI versions I've listened to all have the same smoothed-over quality that loses everything interesting and relatable to my ears in the original versions.

jacobgraf 3mo ago
I get it. Recorded music is a lot of fun to play and listen to. This still was a fun project for us to work on together after 25-years and with both of us living on opposite ends of the country. Hopefully our next release will be an in-person recording! I gotta brag on Chuck a bit more though. I do love the depth to his lyrics and the way he puts them to melodies. I think his stuff, at the core, is excellent. Can't wait to work on some new stuff!
AnthonyR 3mo ago
I'm glad to hear people share this sentiment. I think the human quality will be part of what people will start to enjoy more about music now that AI has improved so much in terms of it's ability to produce highly polished songs.
- AlecSchueler 3mo ago
  This is my hope as well but I'm doubtful. I'd expect it's more likely that the generations growing up with this stuff will enjoy being able to annoy their elders with it and fully embrace the human-less aesthetic.
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ToucanLoucan 3mo ago
My girlfriend has been using an AI music generator and like, her music is the best generative music I've listened to. Her prompts are crazy, lots of actual like, music theory and specific requests. That said, it still shares these qualities. It sounds like AI images look. Oversmoothed/overtuned. Like as a creative myself, what AI has taught me more than anything is that a lot of what we call artistry happens in the friction between an artist and their tools, when they're pushing to the limit of what they know how to and what their tools are able to do, that's where the great shit is. And it's not even that AI is a bad tool necessarily, it just doesn't create any friction. It can be frustrating, for sure, when you just can't get it to do what you want, but it's not an interesting frustration like friction because you aren't the problem, nor your skill: the tool is the problem. That probably sounds like I'm saying it's bad and again, no. I'm saying the friction between the artist and their tools is the interesting part, and because there's very little friction, meaningfully, between artists and AI tools, it just comes out... boring. The push for generative AI is "you can make anything," and that's true. But if you can make anything, then by necessity, anything you make is unimpressive. It's only really impressive if you're not sure if you can make it.

efficax 3mo ago

We're about the same age, I was even in a band at a small liberal arts college in the great lakes area in 2003. AI can't bring it back, and the stuff the music AI has created here sounds terrible to me.

jacobgraf 3mo ago
Thanks for listening anyway. Personally, I like the stuff and love jamming out to it in my car, but hey, I may have a bit of nostalgia-bias.

khr 3mo ago

Interesting idea, and it sounds like you like the results, so kudos. My musical taste tends toward less produced, rougher/lo-fi recordings, e.g. Guided By Voices. So, it follows that I prefer the original recordings. There is one aspect that I find slightly dehumanizing -- the AI changed the singer's voice so drastically that I don't recognize the original singer anymore. The uniqueness of the voice has been smoothed out to be much more generic. For me, music (and art in general) is in part an expression of one's identity, so I'd consider this a negative outcome. I'm sure similar things could be said of the instrument performances as well. But again, this is all just my two cents, and it's a matter of taste. Ultimately if you're happy with the results, that's what matters!

jacobgraf 3mo ago
Completely agree. We tried feeding his voice in and using that as a voice model and it actually sounded even further away from his actual voice so we nixed it. We uploaded our original tracks as a reference, so there were some notes that left me feeling like "that sounds like Chuck", but for the most part, yeah, it's pretty far off.

quietfox 3mo ago

As a first reaction, I loved the idea, since I have had a handful of bands in my life and really loved how you revived (or aimed to revive) the old days with modern tools. I really liked the web design and nostalgia of the old photos combined with the possibilities of new technology. Then I hit play. AI sucked the soul out of your music. I am happy for you if you liked the results. But for me, each of the comparisons proved me right to loathe AI music.

jacobgraf 3mo ago
We appreciate you listening anyway! I enjoy the music, but it's definitely not for everybody!

LastTrain 3mo ago

I'll also use AI to revive your 2001 college band, no you needed!

peab 3mo ago

This is great! I disagree with some of the commenters here that the originals sound better. The originals sound very much like demos, and from a producer's perspective are very low quality (no offense). They're definitely more raw, but objectively not as good - i.e harmonies aren't tight, the levels are not well balanced, etc. It's funny that people hate that AI can improve this, because even without AI, modern music uses a ton of digital tools to mix and master - and true musicians don't care whether it's digital or not. These commenters would be the same people who boo-ed bob dylan when he went electric. Look at John Mayer - he uses AI to model amps, instead of lugging around giant heavy tube amps. Question for you - what was the workflow exactly? I've been wanting to test out some AI tools to do similar things with my music.

citizenpaul 3mo ago
I agree. I think there are a lot of haters here. The remaster sounds much more professional/complete. I guess I could see that some people may have preference for a sorta live show feel but I've always preferred the album versions. Maybe I had too many friends that made me listen to their bad demo albums when I was young and I'm traumatized ha.

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dang 3mo ago
Whoa - you can't attack other users like that here, regardless of how strongly you feel about a topic like AI. It's against the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and especially against the Show HN guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html). If you'd please review those and not post like this again, we'd appreciate it. If you'd like to make your substantive points thoughtfully, that's fine.
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lukas9 3mo ago

This is awesome, though I have to agree with some other commenters. I like the originals more. Don't really know why, but they just sound more "refreshing" and "original".

vova_hn2 3mo ago

I'm sorry to say, but in the both examples on the page I liked the original version more. In the first example guitars sound very lively, like I'm actually listening to someone playing live. Very warm and cosy feeling. 2026 version is just some standard over-produced pop-music, that I would have completely ignored if I heard it "in the wild". In the second example, 2003 vocal performance might be not perfect from a technique perspective, but I can hear real emotion in his voice. 2026 version sounds very bland, just like every other song that I might here on a pop-radio. I want to say that I am not an anti-AI fanatic, I am generally curious about new ways to use technology (including gen-AI, but not limited to it) to create art. So I am not coming from "it's AI, therefore it's bad" perspective. I genuinely tried to listen with open mind and hear the music without thinking too much about how exactly it was created.

CSaponara 3mo ago
I appreciate that perspective! A next step might be to record the songs again, stripped down to their original elements (acoustic guitar , for example), but with modern recording and producing equipment. That would be a fun 2003 dorm room—>2026 AI assisted—>2026 authentic comparison!

josefritzishere 3mo ago

If you want to know the truth, the AI versions are not good. Every decibel of authenticity has been processed out of it; sacrificed in the quest for CHR style production. The mismatch is almost discordant.

TurdF3rguson 3mo ago

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

BoingBoomTschak 3mo ago

"Hello, I have no soul, nice to meet you!"

waffletower 3mo ago

A and B examples are convincingly "human". It is complete nonsense to say otherwise. The AI versions are simply giving the music a kind of commercial streamline production treatment; treatment that many listeners need to accept the music as viable. Some will fight brutally to hide this need here. No offense, but both a and b are thoroughly cliché. The AI is not sucking away some grand uniqueness of expression here. I have heard both raw and produced countless times. Humans are generative AIs already -- fighting machines that do it is ironic and dishonest. Sure the AI process may be robbing some of the "honesty" of the performance. But you guys aren't unique like Daniel Johnston when you are unfiltered so I don't see a problem with either version. The studio is a place of magic and sonic makeup. If you want to wear makeup, go for it.

jacobgraf 3mo ago
This comment is probably the closest one to my own thoughts and beliefs as well. Thanks for writing it so eloquently.

batch12 3mo ago

Interesting concept. I've been playing with using agents to modernize finish the ~200 projects I started. Next will be the idea pile...

nickandbro 3mo ago

The originals are way better. The AI songs I can tell have a ghost in the shell. It’s like whatever uniqueness of the original was polished out.

Caracas288 3mo ago
The other way around, surely? The ‘ghost’ being the soul, absent in purely robotic beings. Yes, it’s hard to accept that for many, the notion of quality is conflated with uniformity of texture. It’s a fun website nevertheless, interesting project.

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bialamusic 3mo ago

It is sad that the only way to catch attention these days is to add AI to the mix... You had a good time back then!

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phendrenad2 3mo ago

Saw a post on X that showed that AI images and videos have uniform entropy across the entire image, making them easy to detect. I've been unable to "unsee" this across all AI generated things, not just images and videos: It shows up in audio and AI voice (which is why AI has such a weird "compressed" speaking cadence), writing (AI is bad at writing "slow" sections in books, it's non-stop things happening at exactly the same intervals), and I'm sure it applies to coding also somehow. In the AI version, which I think is inferior to the original human version here, the AI has "filled in all the gaps" and it feels like an endless plateau with no end (AI is also bad at wrapping up songs, lol)