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With the exception of Fable which is going away anyway, Codex is better especially after the last couple Opus releases. It’s also no longer slower than Claude.

With the exception of Fable which is going away anyway, Codex is better especially after the last couple Opus releases. It’s also no longer slower than Claude. You get much more generous usage from the 20x plan. And you get far better uptime. If benchmarks and early tester impressions are accurate, you also get access to Fable level capability at greater speed and lower cost (included in subscription).

petesergeant 3mo ago
> Fable which is going away anyway $2 says nah. You can't take Fable away in a week where GPT-5.6 and Grok 4.5 launch, if you want to hold on to customers.
- mortenjorck 3mo ago
  The fact that they already extended subscription Fable once would suggest it won’t be solely locked behind API next week, but at the same time it really does look like they are doing everything they can to avoid serving it continuously at scale. Knowing Anthropic, this unfortunately might end up meaning a quietly quantized Fable on subscription.
  - wild_egg 3mo ago
    Can anyone explain this "quietly quantized" model idea to me from a business perspective? Coca-Cola doesn't "quietly water down" its product to save a few bucks. They know people will take a sip, say "oh that's not what i wanted", and go buy a Pepsi. If they serve me a quantized Fable, I'm just going to think Fable sucks and go get my tokens elsewhere. What's the point?
    - petesergeant 3mo ago
      Pepsi may not water down its product, but your local diner may well decide to put a little less ice-cream in its milkshakes if it thinks it can get away with it and most people won't be able to tell.
    - ValentineC 3mo ago
      > Coca-Cola doesn't "quietly water down" its product to save a few bucks. They know people will take a sip, say "oh that's not what i wanted", and go buy a Pepsi. Coca-Cola is also mostly measurable and reverse-engineerable. The Claude models are black boxes, and actively curtail distilling efforts.
    - AlexCoventry 3mo ago
      How are you going to confidently tell the difference between it being slightly dumber, vs just having bad luck with your recent attempts?
- jambalaya8 3mo ago
  Ain't getting my $2.

petesergeant 3mo ago

> Fable which is going away anyway $2 says nah. You can't take Fable away in a week where GPT-5.6 and Grok 4.5 launch, if you want to hold on to customers.

mortenjorck 3mo ago
The fact that they already extended subscription Fable once would suggest it won’t be solely locked behind API next week, but at the same time it really does look like they are doing everything they can to avoid serving it continuously at scale. Knowing Anthropic, this unfortunately might end up meaning a quietly quantized Fable on subscription.
- wild_egg 3mo ago
  Can anyone explain this "quietly quantized" model idea to me from a business perspective? Coca-Cola doesn't "quietly water down" its product to save a few bucks. They know people will take a sip, say "oh that's not what i wanted", and go buy a Pepsi. If they serve me a quantized Fable, I'm just going to think Fable sucks and go get my tokens elsewhere. What's the point?
  - petesergeant 3mo ago
    Pepsi may not water down its product, but your local diner may well decide to put a little less ice-cream in its milkshakes if it thinks it can get away with it and most people won't be able to tell.
  - ValentineC 3mo ago
    > Coca-Cola doesn't "quietly water down" its product to save a few bucks. They know people will take a sip, say "oh that's not what i wanted", and go buy a Pepsi. Coca-Cola is also mostly measurable and reverse-engineerable. The Claude models are black boxes, and actively curtail distilling efforts.
  - AlexCoventry 3mo ago
    How are you going to confidently tell the difference between it being slightly dumber, vs just having bad luck with your recent attempts?
jambalaya8 3mo ago
Ain't getting my $2.