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What should worry everybody is the big picture (trying to abstract from politics, ideologies and specific situation). In recent years we had: - Europe is now a

What should worry everybody is the big picture (trying to abstract from politics, ideologies and specific situation). In recent years we had: - Europe is now at war with Russia (neighbor) - Its relationship with the US is rapidly deteriorating (main partner, de facto protector) - Its relationship with China is also rapidly deteriorating - It is getting very antagonistic with it own citizen and some individual member countries (such as Hungaria or Romania recently) So there are a lot of justifications in each case but the overall picture is worrisome. You can't be antagonistic with everyone. There is a reason why the North Korean regime is still around, they never forgot they need to keep a good relationship with at least one powerful ally.

onemoresoop 3mo ago
EU is doing some concerning moves but, looking at your points, Russia attacked Ukraine. EU is not at war with Russia, only supporting Ukraine. Second, the relationship with US is deteriorating due to Trump. As a matter of fact all US relationships are deteriorating for the same reason. Where have you been the past years? Im not going to bother to respond to the following points because you mix some reality with propaganda and seem to live in a paralel reality.
- tempfile 3mo ago
  They didn't attribute any fault to these patterns, just said the pattern itself is concerning. It is bad for the EU to be mistreated by the US!
- wolvoleo 3mo ago
  Yeah US is threatening to invade and take over Canada, Greenland, I mean no wonder the alliance is no longer strong right? And the internal struggles are indeed a problem, this is due to the extreme right which has completely taken over America (and is sponsored by Russia). It was good to see the Hungarians came to their senses but it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries. The problem is who do we ally with that we can trust now. Russia and America obviously not. Canada yes but they're not big. China just serves its own interests, they will never care about a partnership. They just want our money to buy their products, nothing else. I think South America is another potential one and the EU is trying to connect there with eg Mercosur. But America is sponsoring the extreme right there too as you can see in Honduras and Colombia recently. And in Venezuela of course.
  - tartoran 3mo ago
    Right wing populism is growing in EU as well. That is also sponsored by Russia but also by Trump/Vance etc..
    - u8080 3mo ago
      It is popular because governments are failed to address legitimate issues and gaslight population.
      - tartoran 3mo ago
        But the populism doesn't address the issues either and and their incoherent points will make things worse. Just look at the US for example.
        u8080 3mo ago
        Indeed, this happens when you sacrifice public dialog for short-term gains calling everyone who does not agree with your points "far-right", "nazi", "russian asset". There will be literal fascists and people will support them just because they promise(probably bait-and-switch, but does not matter) to address public problems instead of gaslighting that problems are non-existent.
        wolvoleo 3mo ago
        We call them that because it's true. The far right parties don't want to solve problems. They thrive on anger and hate. If they actually would solve something people would stop voting for them. Because anger and hate are the only things they have to offer. They don't care about solving problems around migrants. It really boils down to people just not wanting brown faces in 'their' streets.
        redsocksfan45 3mo ago
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- throw-the-towel 3mo ago
  EU is at war with Russia, just that both sides are too cowardly to say it openly.
lyu07282 3mo ago
Isn't it interesting that if you remove the US from that list, it all aligns with US foreign policy? How fortuitous that EU interests just happen to coincide so well with our American friends.
- zelphirkalt 3mo ago
  US is now allied with Russia though. Or at least its president acts as if it was.
  - lyu07282 3mo ago
    Then you are not paying attention, he satisfied his Murica-First Cult like a circus clown. The US is the biggest arms dealer in the world, the Europeans are delivering weapons from their stockpile to Ukraine, then the US is filling those stockpiles up. Works like clockwork, just like under Biden, there is no actual change in policy towards Russia/Ukraine.
koiueo 3mo ago
> There is a reason why the North Korean regime is still around Nukes
ClumsyPilot 3mo ago
> - Its relationship with China is also rapidly deteriorating For which there is no good reason and which is extremely stupid There has been zero aggression from China towards Europe and zero chance of military confrontation. Most of the sanctions that were implemented under pressure from Us have backfired on Europe (but not so much on US) European politicians are going around the world and telling India not to trade with Russia while Israel trades with Russia, etc.

onemoresoop 3mo ago

EU is doing some concerning moves but, looking at your points, Russia attacked Ukraine. EU is not at war with Russia, only supporting Ukraine. Second, the relationship with US is deteriorating due to Trump. As a matter of fact all US relationships are deteriorating for the same reason. Where have you been the past years? Im not going to bother to respond to the following points because you mix some reality with propaganda and seem to live in a paralel reality.

tempfile 3mo ago
They didn't attribute any fault to these patterns, just said the pattern itself is concerning. It is bad for the EU to be mistreated by the US!
wolvoleo 3mo ago
Yeah US is threatening to invade and take over Canada, Greenland, I mean no wonder the alliance is no longer strong right? And the internal struggles are indeed a problem, this is due to the extreme right which has completely taken over America (and is sponsored by Russia). It was good to see the Hungarians came to their senses but it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries. The problem is who do we ally with that we can trust now. Russia and America obviously not. Canada yes but they're not big. China just serves its own interests, they will never care about a partnership. They just want our money to buy their products, nothing else. I think South America is another potential one and the EU is trying to connect there with eg Mercosur. But America is sponsoring the extreme right there too as you can see in Honduras and Colombia recently. And in Venezuela of course.
- tartoran 3mo ago
  Right wing populism is growing in EU as well. That is also sponsored by Russia but also by Trump/Vance etc..
  - u8080 3mo ago
    It is popular because governments are failed to address legitimate issues and gaslight population.
    - tartoran 3mo ago
      But the populism doesn't address the issues either and and their incoherent points will make things worse. Just look at the US for example.
      - u8080 3mo ago
        Indeed, this happens when you sacrifice public dialog for short-term gains calling everyone who does not agree with your points "far-right", "nazi", "russian asset". There will be literal fascists and people will support them just because they promise(probably bait-and-switch, but does not matter) to address public problems instead of gaslighting that problems are non-existent.
        wolvoleo 3mo ago
        We call them that because it's true. The far right parties don't want to solve problems. They thrive on anger and hate. If they actually would solve something people would stop voting for them. Because anger and hate are the only things they have to offer. They don't care about solving problems around migrants. It really boils down to people just not wanting brown faces in 'their' streets.
        redsocksfan45 3mo ago
        [dead]
throw-the-towel 3mo ago
EU is at war with Russia, just that both sides are too cowardly to say it openly.

lyu07282 3mo ago

Isn't it interesting that if you remove the US from that list, it all aligns with US foreign policy? How fortuitous that EU interests just happen to coincide so well with our American friends.

zelphirkalt 3mo ago
US is now allied with Russia though. Or at least its president acts as if it was.
- lyu07282 3mo ago
  Then you are not paying attention, he satisfied his Murica-First Cult like a circus clown. The US is the biggest arms dealer in the world, the Europeans are delivering weapons from their stockpile to Ukraine, then the US is filling those stockpiles up. Works like clockwork, just like under Biden, there is no actual change in policy towards Russia/Ukraine.

koiueo 3mo ago

> There is a reason why the North Korean regime is still around Nukes

ClumsyPilot 3mo ago

> - Its relationship with China is also rapidly deteriorating For which there is no good reason and which is extremely stupid There has been zero aggression from China towards Europe and zero chance of military confrontation. Most of the sanctions that were implemented under pressure from Us have backfired on Europe (but not so much on US) European politicians are going around the world and telling India not to trade with Russia while Israel trades with Russia, etc.