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Yeah, since when did he get to decide things associated with the Nazi saluting tech trillionaire is low morality? The guy who is openly manipulating markets for

Yeah, since when did he get to decide things associated with the Nazi saluting tech trillionaire is low morality? The guy who is openly manipulating markets for his advantage should get the same respect and dignity everyone else does!

w4yai 3mo ago
> Nazi saluting ... this is such a troll topic, my point is proved, I have nothing more to say. Nothing is nuanced anymore if this is your reality. Good luck fighting the nazis from your basement. Stay alert of people arms.
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- karmakurtisaani 3mo ago
  I guess you think you're sounding clever, but Nazi salutes is actually a pretty good indicator for someone being a nazi. Believe it or not.
  - kbelder 3mo ago
    I actually don't believe that, considering the way you're defining that salute. In fact, somebody mentioning it is a clear indicator to me that they're engaging in bad faith... similar to seeing someone say "Trump told people to drink bleach" or "immigrants are eating our pets"
    - karmakurtisaani 3mo ago
      Ok, humor me. Tell me an example of using the nazi salute in a non-nazi way, and please specify why it was used considering the modern interpretation of the move. Only modern use, not going back to Romans.
      - wizzwizz4 3mo ago
        You're allowed to count Roman use, too – because there probably wasn't any. The fascist salute is based on this painting from the 1780s: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Le_Serment_des_Horaces_-_Jacques-Louis_David_-_Mus%C3%A9e_du_Louvre_Peintures_INV_3692_;_MR_1432.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Le_Serment_des_Horac....
        karmakurtisaani 3mo ago
        Interesting, did not know that. Thanks!
lyle5219 3mo ago
I don't care at all about what way someone moves their arm unless it's causing violence, and cannot understand why any sane person would. Even if someone did the most nazi salute ever, I still wouldn't care at all, it's an arm movement. Stop pretending normal people care about this
- estearum 3mo ago
  What do you mean "causing violence?" It sounds like you're suggesting Hitler's moving of his arm somehow caused violence. Can you explain how that could possibly be true under your model of "arm movements don't matter"? As far as I know, Hitler himself never struck anyone with an outstretched hand. Certainly that's not the crime he's accused of. I don't think you can actually prove that Hitler's arm movements had any causal relationship to the Holocaust, to be honest. So presumably he's in the clear, and there's no reason a normal person would've cared about Hitler's arm movements in the 30s and 40s, correct? As far as I know, Hitler himself just said words. Same with Pol Pot, Hirohito, Mao, Stalin, and Lenin. How could you possibly attribute violence to any of that under your model of "I'm so smart I can't see causation or intent?"
  - lyle5219 3mo ago
    unless you're punching or stabbing someone I really do not care what way you move your arm, whether it's associated with something 80 years ago or not.
    - estearum 3mo ago
      Okay so a politician who orders the state to go hunt down your family is in the clear, the guy who drives the secret police to your house is in the clear, but the guys who actually place hands on your children are fully culpable. Am I understanding correctly?
      - lyle5219 3mo ago
        yes you are understanding correctly? what's so hard about understanding that?? By your logic the SS did nothing wrong because they were following orders? Does this work for positives too like if a doctor saves someones life they didn't actually do anything good at all it was their boss who hired them? Everyone is accountable for their own actions. If you can be convinced to do something evil by someone else that's your own problem.

w4yai 3mo ago

> Nazi saluting ... this is such a troll topic, my point is proved, I have nothing more to say. Nothing is nuanced anymore if this is your reality. Good luck fighting the nazis from your basement. Stay alert of people arms.

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karmakurtisaani 3mo ago
I guess you think you're sounding clever, but Nazi salutes is actually a pretty good indicator for someone being a nazi. Believe it or not.
- kbelder 3mo ago
  I actually don't believe that, considering the way you're defining that salute. In fact, somebody mentioning it is a clear indicator to me that they're engaging in bad faith... similar to seeing someone say "Trump told people to drink bleach" or "immigrants are eating our pets"
  - karmakurtisaani 3mo ago
    Ok, humor me. Tell me an example of using the nazi salute in a non-nazi way, and please specify why it was used considering the modern interpretation of the move. Only modern use, not going back to Romans.
    - wizzwizz4 3mo ago
      You're allowed to count Roman use, too – because there probably wasn't any. The fascist salute is based on this painting from the 1780s: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Le_Serment_des_Horaces_-_Jacques-Louis_David_-_Mus%C3%A9e_du_Louvre_Peintures_INV_3692_;_MR_1432.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Le_Serment_des_Horac....
      - karmakurtisaani 3mo ago
        Interesting, did not know that. Thanks!

lyle5219 3mo ago

I don't care at all about what way someone moves their arm unless it's causing violence, and cannot understand why any sane person would. Even if someone did the most nazi salute ever, I still wouldn't care at all, it's an arm movement. Stop pretending normal people care about this

estearum 3mo ago
What do you mean "causing violence?" It sounds like you're suggesting Hitler's moving of his arm somehow caused violence. Can you explain how that could possibly be true under your model of "arm movements don't matter"? As far as I know, Hitler himself never struck anyone with an outstretched hand. Certainly that's not the crime he's accused of. I don't think you can actually prove that Hitler's arm movements had any causal relationship to the Holocaust, to be honest. So presumably he's in the clear, and there's no reason a normal person would've cared about Hitler's arm movements in the 30s and 40s, correct? As far as I know, Hitler himself just said words. Same with Pol Pot, Hirohito, Mao, Stalin, and Lenin. How could you possibly attribute violence to any of that under your model of "I'm so smart I can't see causation or intent?"
- lyle5219 3mo ago
  unless you're punching or stabbing someone I really do not care what way you move your arm, whether it's associated with something 80 years ago or not.
  - estearum 3mo ago
    Okay so a politician who orders the state to go hunt down your family is in the clear, the guy who drives the secret police to your house is in the clear, but the guys who actually place hands on your children are fully culpable. Am I understanding correctly?
    - lyle5219 3mo ago
      yes you are understanding correctly? what's so hard about understanding that?? By your logic the SS did nothing wrong because they were following orders? Does this work for positives too like if a doctor saves someones life they didn't actually do anything good at all it was their boss who hired them? Everyone is accountable for their own actions. If you can be convinced to do something evil by someone else that's your own problem.