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Brought to you - as always - by the Conservatives. Conservatism is just fascism with a slightly nicer image.

by vrganj 4mo ago

marginalia_nu 4mo ago
Eh, the commies are pretty good at this too. Best analogy for Chat Control is really a digital Stasi.
- vrganj 4mo ago
  I mean sure, but there's no meaningful commie contingent in the EU. The war on privacy at the EU level always comes from conservatives.
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  - IlikeMadison 4mo ago
    Not true. A lot of the left voted in favor for it. Ylva Johansson, the person behind all this who introduced Chat Control since the very beginning, is a literal ex-Communist and she's now at the left wing of the Social Democrats in Sweden and EU parliament.
weberer 4mo ago
This was overwhelmingly approved by "The Left in the European Parliament" (that's their actual coalition name) as well as the Greens. It was overwhelmingly rejected by the European People's Party (AKA "The Right"). And mixed among other groups (S&D and Conservatives). https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775
- mizaru 4mo ago
  No, it's the other way around. Quoting another comment: >"Yes" means stop control, because it's a "proposition de rejet" we're looking at. rejet = reject
- vrganj 4mo ago
  Indeed. The vote, however, was about stopping Chat Control. The key term is "derogation" in the title. A "yes" vote was a vote against Chat Control. It failed because it needed an absolute majority of 361/) votes to defeat the "urgent procedure" lawfare by Metsina, a conservative.
u8080 4mo ago
EU conservatives are just moderate leftists, who cares.
- vrganj 4mo ago
  What are you even saying? As a leftist, I want nothing to do with those fascists.
  - u8080 4mo ago
    Okay, I am not EU citizen, let's see EPP's manifesto: As a central part of its campaign for the European elections in 2009, the EPP approved its election manifesto at its Congress in Warsaw in April that year. The manifesto called for:[16] - Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone (govt universal social investment, left) - Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies (pro-federal pro-centralisation) - Increased transparency and surveillance in financial markets(more regulation on market) - Making Europe the market leader in green technology. (increase govt involvement in economy) - Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020. (increase govt involvement in economy) - Family-friendly flexibility for working parents, better child care and housing, family-friendly fiscal policies, encouragement of parental leave. (Pro-Worker's rights, social security) -A new strategy to attract skilled workers from the rest of the world to make Europe's economy more competitive, more dynamic and more knowledge-driven (Pro-migration) Could you explain how that's considered right-wing?
    - vrganj 4mo ago
      > - Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone - Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies - - Making Europe the market leader in green technology. Market ideology -> Right wing - Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020. Done through incentives, not nationalized industry -> market ideology, right wing. - Family-friendly flexibility for working parents, better child care and housing, family-friendly fiscal policies, encouragement of parental leave Classic birtherism -> right wing - A new strategy to attract skilled workers from the rest of the world to make Europe's economy more competitive, more dynamic and more knowledge-driven Importing cheap labor for European capitalists -> right wing
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Brought to you - as always - by the Conservatives. Conservatism is just fascism with a slightly nicer image.

by vrganj 4mo ago

Brought to you - as always - by the Conservatives. Conservatism is just fascism with a slightly nicer image.

marginalia_nu 4mo ago

Eh, the commies are pretty good at this too. Best analogy for Chat Control is really a digital Stasi.

vrganj 4mo ago
I mean sure, but there's no meaningful commie contingent in the EU. The war on privacy at the EU level always comes from conservatives.
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- IlikeMadison 4mo ago
  Not true. A lot of the left voted in favor for it. Ylva Johansson, the person behind all this who introduced Chat Control since the very beginning, is a literal ex-Communist and she's now at the left wing of the Social Democrats in Sweden and EU parliament.

weberer 4mo ago

This was overwhelmingly approved by "The Left in the European Parliament" (that's their actual coalition name) as well as the Greens. It was overwhelmingly rejected by the European People's Party (AKA "The Right"). And mixed among other groups (S&D and Conservatives). https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775 https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195775

mizaru 4mo ago
No, it's the other way around. Quoting another comment: >"Yes" means stop control, because it's a "proposition de rejet" we're looking at. rejet = reject
vrganj 4mo ago
Indeed. The vote, however, was about stopping Chat Control. The key term is "derogation" in the title. A "yes" vote was a vote against Chat Control. It failed because it needed an absolute majority of 361/) votes to defeat the "urgent procedure" lawfare by Metsina, a conservative.

u8080 4mo ago

EU conservatives are just moderate leftists, who cares.

vrganj 4mo ago
What are you even saying? As a leftist, I want nothing to do with those fascists.
- u8080 4mo ago
  Okay, I am not EU citizen, let's see EPP's manifesto: As a central part of its campaign for the European elections in 2009, the EPP approved its election manifesto at its Congress in Warsaw in April that year. The manifesto called for:[16] - Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone (govt universal social investment, left) - Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies (pro-federal pro-centralisation) - Increased transparency and surveillance in financial markets(more regulation on market) - Making Europe the market leader in green technology. (increase govt involvement in economy) - Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020. (increase govt involvement in economy) - Family-friendly flexibility for working parents, better child care and housing, family-friendly fiscal policies, encouragement of parental leave. (Pro-Worker's rights, social security) -A new strategy to attract skilled workers from the rest of the world to make Europe's economy more competitive, more dynamic and more knowledge-driven (Pro-migration) Could you explain how that's considered right-wing?
  - vrganj 4mo ago
    > - Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone - Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies - - Making Europe the market leader in green technology. Market ideology -> Right wing - Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020. Done through incentives, not nationalized industry -> market ideology, right wing. - Family-friendly flexibility for working parents, better child care and housing, family-friendly fiscal policies, encouragement of parental leave Classic birtherism -> right wing - A new strategy to attract skilled workers from the rest of the world to make Europe's economy more competitive, more dynamic and more knowledge-driven Importing cheap labor for European capitalists -> right wing

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