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The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services, where there is no company at the middle to tell you add backdoors. Who is working

The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services, where there is no company at the middle to tell you add backdoors. Who is working on that? I suspect the main challenge is not technical, but human - persuading users to switch messenger apps is almost impossible.

hsuduebc2 3mo ago
Or you can just host your own server like IRC. This is beyond idiotic, if they think that pedophiles will begin to suddenly use WhatsApp then I very much doubt about their basic literacy. Such a weak reasoning and method which they used to push this is ridiculous agenda lead me to strongly suspect there must be something else behind it.
inigyou 3mo ago
Session was recently shut down due to lack of funding. True P2P implies knowing the IP addresses of the people you're talking to.
- Stagnant 3mo ago
  Session was supposed to be shut down at start of July but looks like they got enough funding from donations to keep going for now.
- londons_explore 3mo ago
  Or it can be many-server, with tens of thousands of server operators and one selected at random. Only the server operators then know your IP, and they don't know who you are or what you're saying.
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    Yes, Session was shut down due to lack of funding for those servers.
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betaby 3mo ago
> The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services Spain would label you criminal for merely using alternative Android builds: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-organized-crime-preferred-phone-3573578/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-organized-crim...
attila-lendvai 3mo ago
Simplex https://simplex.chat/ https://simplex.chat/
dabber21 3mo ago
Not P2P but Delta Chat
giobox 3mo ago
I genuinely wondered the other day how long before we see some country try to regulate the new self-hosted radio mesh messaging solutions like Meshtastic etc. Eventually some crime group somewhere is going to be busted using a homebrew encrypted radio system for messaging - they are so plentiful and easy to build with dirt cheap ESP32s etc, and it's so easy to deploy repeaters to extend range. > https://meshtastic.org/ https://meshtastic.org/
pbgcp2026 3mo ago
The defence against this is to vote these MF MEPs out and kick asses of non–elected Eurocrats. Not going to happen. Tech solution: Open GPG with PQE protocols. There is nothing else left (other than One Time Pads.) And this is just the beginning. With LLMs and AI they will have resources to scan every character we type.

hsuduebc2 3mo ago

Or you can just host your own server like IRC. This is beyond idiotic, if they think that pedophiles will begin to suddenly use WhatsApp then I very much doubt about their basic literacy. Such a weak reasoning and method which they used to push this is ridiculous agenda lead me to strongly suspect there must be something else behind it.

inigyou 3mo ago

Session was recently shut down due to lack of funding. True P2P implies knowing the IP addresses of the people you're talking to.

Stagnant 3mo ago
Session was supposed to be shut down at start of July but looks like they got enough funding from donations to keep going for now.
londons_explore 3mo ago
Or it can be many-server, with tens of thousands of server operators and one selected at random. Only the server operators then know your IP, and they don't know who you are or what you're saying.
- inigyou 3mo ago
  Yes, Session was shut down due to lack of funding for those servers.

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betaby 3mo ago

> The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services Spain would label you criminal for merely using alternative Android builds: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-organized-crime-preferred-phone-3573578/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-organized-crim...

attila-lendvai 3mo ago

Simplex https://simplex.chat/ https://simplex.chat/

dabber21 3mo ago

Not P2P but Delta Chat

giobox 3mo ago

I genuinely wondered the other day how long before we see some country try to regulate the new self-hosted radio mesh messaging solutions like Meshtastic etc. Eventually some crime group somewhere is going to be busted using a homebrew encrypted radio system for messaging - they are so plentiful and easy to build with dirt cheap ESP32s etc, and it's so easy to deploy repeaters to extend range. > https://meshtastic.org/ https://meshtastic.org/

pbgcp2026 3mo ago

The defence against this is to vote these MF MEPs out and kick asses of non–elected Eurocrats. Not going to happen. Tech solution: Open GPG with PQE protocols. There is nothing else left (other than One Time Pads.) And this is just the beginning. With LLMs and AI they will have resources to scan every character we type.