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It's hard, in my opinion, to lend credence to the author here when they decided to devote the first and largest section of their article to an incisive display

by sarreph 3mo ago

It's hard, in my opinion, to lend credence to the author here when they decided to devote the first and largest section of their article to an incisive display of speculative ad hominem. Would have been a great opportunity to outline the benefits of Zig! I've been keen to pick Zig up recently due to mitchellh's evangelism and inspiring writing on the subject. This article puts me off learning Zig.

embedding-shape 3mo ago
> first and largest section of their article to an incisive display of speculative ad hominem. Seems you're not alone in feeling this, mind quoting the exact and verbatim parts that seem like "speculative ad hominem"? I see there are quite a bits about how Andrew sees Jarred and his workflow/work mentality, but I'm not sure I see clearly what is supposed to be the ad hominem, speculative or not.
- sarreph 3mo ago
  Sure: > he was essentially groomed from a young age > It's one thing to choose a poor work-life balance for oneself; a different thing entirely to demand it of others > Jarred was a stinky manager
  - mpalmer 3mo ago
    The second thing is not an ad hominem, it's talking about what he did or how he did it, not who he is.
    - ribelo 3mo ago
      Casting aspersions without proof, even if it's something everyone knows, is in poor taste and ad hominem. I've never heard a bad word about Jaredd before, so Andrew seems more like a stinky person to me right now.
      - speedster217 3mo ago
        There's a direct quote in the article from Jaredd talking about poor work/life balance
      - anon7000 3mo ago
        There are two direct quotes in the article. The first is from Jaredd saying he works 90 hour weeks. The second is from Jaredd/his new company saying if you care about work/life balance, don’t work at this new company. So that’s definitely not an ad hominem. The other stuff maybe, I’m not familiar enough.
    - vopi 3mo ago
      “An Ad hominem refers to when a speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself” It’s definitionally an ad hominem against Jared. If he stuck to why he thought it was bad for Bun to do this, I would be more sympathetic.
      - ackfoobar 3mo ago
        > stuck to why he thought it was bad for Bun to do this Quite the opposite. "When Jarred announced the Rust rewrite, we were ecstatic." > It’s definitionally an ad hominem against Jared. Who Jarred is, as a CEO, definitely has an impact on how the company develops software - how Zig is used. And the argument is that Zig is used badly in Bun. Without that context, I, as a reader, would have to actually read through a lot of code to be convinced of that point.
androiddrew 3mo ago
The author being the author of zig…
fg137 3mo ago
> Would have been a great opportunity to outline the benefits of Zig! Eh, Google and ChatGPT both exist?

by sarreph 3mo ago

embedding-shape 3mo ago

> first and largest section of their article to an incisive display of speculative ad hominem. Seems you're not alone in feeling this, mind quoting the exact and verbatim parts that seem like "speculative ad hominem"? I see there are quite a bits about how Andrew sees Jarred and his workflow/work mentality, but I'm not sure I see clearly what is supposed to be the ad hominem, speculative or not.

sarreph 3mo ago
Sure: > he was essentially groomed from a young age > It's one thing to choose a poor work-life balance for oneself; a different thing entirely to demand it of others > Jarred was a stinky manager
- mpalmer 3mo ago
  The second thing is not an ad hominem, it's talking about what he did or how he did it, not who he is.
  - ribelo 3mo ago
    Casting aspersions without proof, even if it's something everyone knows, is in poor taste and ad hominem. I've never heard a bad word about Jaredd before, so Andrew seems more like a stinky person to me right now.
    - speedster217 3mo ago
      There's a direct quote in the article from Jaredd talking about poor work/life balance
    - anon7000 3mo ago
      There are two direct quotes in the article. The first is from Jaredd saying he works 90 hour weeks. The second is from Jaredd/his new company saying if you care about work/life balance, don’t work at this new company. So that’s definitely not an ad hominem. The other stuff maybe, I’m not familiar enough.
  - vopi 3mo ago
    “An Ad hominem refers to when a speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself” It’s definitionally an ad hominem against Jared. If he stuck to why he thought it was bad for Bun to do this, I would be more sympathetic.
    - ackfoobar 3mo ago
      > stuck to why he thought it was bad for Bun to do this Quite the opposite. "When Jarred announced the Rust rewrite, we were ecstatic." > It’s definitionally an ad hominem against Jared. Who Jarred is, as a CEO, definitely has an impact on how the company develops software - how Zig is used. And the argument is that Zig is used badly in Bun. Without that context, I, as a reader, would have to actually read through a lot of code to be convinced of that point.

androiddrew 3mo ago

The author being the author of zig…

fg137 3mo ago

> Would have been a great opportunity to outline the benefits of Zig! Eh, Google and ChatGPT both exist?