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Dude, no they're not. Tommy Robinson is a grifter, but Reform has a pretty good chance of winning the next UK general election People are realising the curren

by gadders 3mo ago

Dude, no they're not. Tommy Robinson is a grifter, but Reform has a pretty good chance of winning the next UK general election People are realising the current omni-party centrist/centre-left politics and economics have failed utterly.

mschuster91 3mo ago
> Reform has a pretty good chance of winning the next UK general election This does not change the fact that Reform is a far-right party (and, like almost all far-right parties in the Western nations, one that has been linked to Russian corruption [1]). > People are realising the current omni-party centrist/centre-left politics and economics have failed utterly. Lol as if far-right politics are any better. Milei is running Argentinia into the ground, so is Bukele with El Salvador, and so is Trump in the US. The only ones who are somewhat of an exception is Italy with Meloni, who managed to dance on the very thin line separating far-right ideology from inevitable disaster. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo
- gadders 3mo ago
  "Far Right" in the sense of "The Guardian says so". And one bloke getting arrested doesn't prove the whole party is Russia-funded, despite that being the catch-all left wing excuse every time they lose an election. People in El Salvador generally seem pretty happy with a 98% reduction in the murder rate. For Argentina, it's too early to tell. We'll have to wait until the shock therapy has finished.
  - krige 3mo ago
    At least they made the trains run on time! /s
strangecasts 3mo ago
This is moving the goalposts from "Elon supports far-right politicians" which was cited with sources, you're just going "well he's right to"
- gadders 3mo ago
  No, I'm saying they're not far right. It's a pejorative term made up by the left to try and shift the overton window away from conservatism. They're about as "far right" as the 80's Thatcher government.
  - strangecasts 3mo ago
    > It's a pejorative term made up by the left to try and shift the overton window away from conservatism. When and by whom? > They're about as "far right" as the 80's Thatcher government. Would you describe Thatcher passing Section 28 (which criminalized "promotion of homosexuality") as plain "conservatism" or is "far right" an appropriate descriptor in that case?
    - gadders 3mo ago
      I think it was conservatism of its time. You can ret-con it with 2026 morality and say it was wrong, but then it was the Conservative austerity government that legalised gay marriage.
      - strangecasts 3mo ago
        If you don't want to concede "far right" as a term for conservatives who are fine with suppression of speech on LGBT issues - aren't you lumping everyone outside the far left together with extremists?
  - bakies 3mo ago
    Elon did the salute and the AfD has it on their ads
    - mschuster91 3mo ago
      More importantly, he obviously intended it to be the Nazi Salute, instead of the usual random movement screengrabs of other people "assumingly" doing the salute.

by gadders 3mo ago

mschuster91 3mo ago

> Reform has a pretty good chance of winning the next UK general election This does not change the fact that Reform is a far-right party (and, like almost all far-right parties in the Western nations, one that has been linked to Russian corruption [1]). > People are realising the current omni-party centrist/centre-left politics and economics have failed utterly. Lol as if far-right politics are any better. Milei is running Argentinia into the ground, so is Bukele with El Salvador, and so is Trump in the US. The only ones who are somewhat of an exception is Italy with Meloni, who managed to dance on the very thin line separating far-right ideology from inevitable disaster. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo

gadders 3mo ago
"Far Right" in the sense of "The Guardian says so". And one bloke getting arrested doesn't prove the whole party is Russia-funded, despite that being the catch-all left wing excuse every time they lose an election. People in El Salvador generally seem pretty happy with a 98% reduction in the murder rate. For Argentina, it's too early to tell. We'll have to wait until the shock therapy has finished.
- krige 3mo ago
  At least they made the trains run on time! /s

strangecasts 3mo ago

This is moving the goalposts from "Elon supports far-right politicians" which was cited with sources, you're just going "well he's right to"

gadders 3mo ago
No, I'm saying they're not far right. It's a pejorative term made up by the left to try and shift the overton window away from conservatism. They're about as "far right" as the 80's Thatcher government.
- strangecasts 3mo ago
  > It's a pejorative term made up by the left to try and shift the overton window away from conservatism. When and by whom? > They're about as "far right" as the 80's Thatcher government. Would you describe Thatcher passing Section 28 (which criminalized "promotion of homosexuality") as plain "conservatism" or is "far right" an appropriate descriptor in that case?
  - gadders 3mo ago
    I think it was conservatism of its time. You can ret-con it with 2026 morality and say it was wrong, but then it was the Conservative austerity government that legalised gay marriage.
    - strangecasts 3mo ago
      If you don't want to concede "far right" as a term for conservatives who are fine with suppression of speech on LGBT issues - aren't you lumping everyone outside the far left together with extremists?
- bakies 3mo ago
  Elon did the salute and the AfD has it on their ads
  - mschuster91 3mo ago
    More importantly, he obviously intended it to be the Nazi Salute, instead of the usual random movement screengrabs of other people "assumingly" doing the salute.