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1. to have a healthy HN, we can't have this amount of political discussion under Grok 4.5. I am politically very liberal and not a fan at all of elon, but this

1. to have a healthy HN, we can't have this amount of political discussion under Grok 4.5. I am politically very liberal and not a fan at all of elon, but this ratio of technical vs. politics drives away the best discussion and will reddit-ify HN. This is my primary argument. 2. also, talk to people more! elon is very controversial, and that means that people's opinion of him differs a lot even in the more liberal crowd! i am not saying that we should be apolitical, but the HN bubble is bubbling, and the bubbling bubble will bubble away good technical AND political discussion. we can weaken elon's cause much better if we have a good grasp of people's actual opinion of elon and we go defuse that

spiderfarmer 3mo ago
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- throwaway_10948 3mo ago
  yes elon has gone crazy; yes trump is a convicted felon; mention it, and move on, fixating on these is not the way to actually defeat elon or trump as shown by the recent elections. there are better things to do to weaken elon and trump's cause
  - calgoo 3mo ago
    Yes, like not buying or using their products, their political supporters products and telling others to do the same. This has been proven over and over again to work. Thats why, dont use Grok, dont buy a Tesla, dont support the mega corps that have bent a knee to them, dont buy Java licenses use open source, etc etc etc.
    - mlrtime 3mo ago
      Go on, enumerate the entire list that has 1st, 2nd degrees to all the things you don't like.
      - calgoo 3mo ago
        Thats not the point, pick your battles, effect what you can. Of course you can not block everything, as all corporations have "bent" knee to some degree. But start with the ones that you can make a call about, like Grok, and try to influence as many as possible not to use it. The same for Oracle, the same for Google and others. Thats the way we can actually make a change, the only way to get to these people is their value. If we de-value their brands, then we de-value them.
    - throwaway_10948 3mo ago
      > Thats why, dont use Grok, dont buy a Tesla, dont support the mega corps that have bent a knee to them sure. i refused to buy a tesla. at some point of my work it became impractical to not use grok. i think the message i want to get through is, there are so many ways to devalue elon, using grok or not does not matter that much if someone offsets it. it is the easiest thing to do but it is not necessarily the most effective
Luckyemmet 3mo ago
I escaped Reddit to meet the new ever evolving Reddit(HN). Just pop into r/grok and r/singularity to see the chaos that has already unfolded.Lol
amunozo 3mo ago
I agree with what you say, but the parent comment is as political as any comment about Elon.

spiderfarmer 3mo ago

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throwaway_10948 3mo ago
yes elon has gone crazy; yes trump is a convicted felon; mention it, and move on, fixating on these is not the way to actually defeat elon or trump as shown by the recent elections. there are better things to do to weaken elon and trump's cause
- calgoo 3mo ago
  Yes, like not buying or using their products, their political supporters products and telling others to do the same. This has been proven over and over again to work. Thats why, dont use Grok, dont buy a Tesla, dont support the mega corps that have bent a knee to them, dont buy Java licenses use open source, etc etc etc.
  - mlrtime 3mo ago
    Go on, enumerate the entire list that has 1st, 2nd degrees to all the things you don't like.
    - calgoo 3mo ago
      Thats not the point, pick your battles, effect what you can. Of course you can not block everything, as all corporations have "bent" knee to some degree. But start with the ones that you can make a call about, like Grok, and try to influence as many as possible not to use it. The same for Oracle, the same for Google and others. Thats the way we can actually make a change, the only way to get to these people is their value. If we de-value their brands, then we de-value them.
  - throwaway_10948 3mo ago
    > Thats why, dont use Grok, dont buy a Tesla, dont support the mega corps that have bent a knee to them sure. i refused to buy a tesla. at some point of my work it became impractical to not use grok. i think the message i want to get through is, there are so many ways to devalue elon, using grok or not does not matter that much if someone offsets it. it is the easiest thing to do but it is not necessarily the most effective

Luckyemmet 3mo ago

I escaped Reddit to meet the new ever evolving Reddit(HN). Just pop into r/grok and r/singularity to see the chaos that has already unfolded.Lol

amunozo 3mo ago

I agree with what you say, but the parent comment is as political as any comment about Elon.