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Stealing ideas, intellectual property (IP), etc are happening throughout the age of the human civilization, that does not prevent us as human moving forward. T

Stealing ideas, intellectual property (IP), etc are happening throughout the age of the human civilization, that does not prevent us as human moving forward. That's why there's little to no credit given to Muslim scholars (Arabic, Persian, Moorish Spain, etc) by the western scholars, by conveniently dismissing the Muslim golden era as "Dark Ages" but at the same time stealing the knowledge (idea, equations design, tools, etc) for most of the prior inventions by the Muslim scholars, for example the telescope. Even worse not only the knowledge (ideas, design, equations, tools, etc) in science, engineering and technology were blatantly copied and stolen, no credit is properly given to these Muslim scholars contributions by saying that the Muslim scholars at best were just merely translating the Greek scholars works and ideas [1]. I suspect that Newton also blatantly copied the many great works by al-Haitham (Alhazen) but not giving him proper credits [2]. C'est la vie, and life goes on. [1] Islamic Astronomy and Copernicus: https://www.tuba.gov.tr/files/yayinlar/bilim-ve-dusun/TUBA-978-625-8352-02-3.pdf https://www.tuba.gov.tr/files/yayinlar/bilim-ve-dusun/TUBA-9... [2] Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

brigandish 3mo ago
Firstly, there is a difference between a telescope and the prior advances that led to a telescope being invented. The telescope was not invented by a muslim scholar, hence that being why no one gives credit to one of them for that. Secondly, to this claim: > That's why there's little to no credit given to Muslim scholars (Arabic, Persian, Moorish Spain, etc) by the western scholars, by conveniently dismissing the Muslim golden era as "Dark Ages" but at the same time stealing the knowledge (idea, equations design, tools, etc) for most of the prior inventions by the Muslim scholars, for example the telescope. From the link you provided, in the very first paragraph: > The works of Alhazen were frequently cited during the Scientific Revolution by Galileo Galilei, René Descartes, Johannes Kepler, and Christiaan Huygens. No credit or frequent credit - which is it?
- teleforce 3mo ago
  >No credit or frequent credit - which is it? >>there's little to no credit given to Muslim scholars
  - brigandish 3mo ago
    Again, in the link you provided, in the very first paragraph, it mentions several great names who are said to have given frequent credit to muslim scholars. Are you saying that is false? If so, you have the ability to edit that Wikipedia article, and you should. Don't forget the legacy section, where there is a long list of people and organisations giving him enormous credit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham#Legacy
    - teleforce 3mo ago
      The fact that Newton did not cite Alhazen or Al-Haytham in his seminal and infamous optic books in English tell you what you need to know regarding the treatment by the western scholars of the muslims scholars [1],[2]. IMHO, this critical omission caused most of the modern physics and optical books and textbooks did not include Alhazen or Al-Haytham eventhough he literally contributed to modern optics more than Newton himself and lately considered the to be the father of modern science. Most probably the word camera (from the Arabic word kamar meaning room) was derived from his experimental work on optic. For perspective, I was educated in my high school in England, and in my Physics class no muslim scholars name ever mentioned in my many textbooks and in classes. The same goes to my chemistry and math classes. Guess how many times Newton was mentioned in my physics classes and textbooks? To be honest I lost my count because too many times. Mind you this little to no credits phenomena happened across the board from math, physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, medicine, etc. To put the things in perspective, now if you don't cite seminal prior work related to your research your paper or thesis, it will be subjected to re-submission. Imagine if Einstein did not even mention Newton's contributions in gravity, the English people will be go to war with Germany. OK, they did but that's for totally different reasons. [1] Did Isaac Newton plagiarize his work from Ibn-Al Haytham? https://www.quora.com/Did-Isaac-Newton-plagiarize-his-work-from-Ibn-Al-Haytham https://www.quora.com/Did-Isaac-Newton-plagiarize-his-work-f... [2] Opticks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opticks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opticks

brigandish 3mo ago

Firstly, there is a difference between a telescope and the prior advances that led to a telescope being invented. The telescope was not invented by a muslim scholar, hence that being why no one gives credit to one of them for that. Secondly, to this claim: > That's why there's little to no credit given to Muslim scholars (Arabic, Persian, Moorish Spain, etc) by the western scholars, by conveniently dismissing the Muslim golden era as "Dark Ages" but at the same time stealing the knowledge (idea, equations design, tools, etc) for most of the prior inventions by the Muslim scholars, for example the telescope. From the link you provided, in the very first paragraph: > The works of Alhazen were frequently cited during the Scientific Revolution by Galileo Galilei, René Descartes, Johannes Kepler, and Christiaan Huygens. No credit or frequent credit - which is it?

teleforce 3mo ago
>No credit or frequent credit - which is it? >>there's little to no credit given to Muslim scholars
- brigandish 3mo ago
  Again, in the link you provided, in the very first paragraph, it mentions several great names who are said to have given frequent credit to muslim scholars. Are you saying that is false? If so, you have the ability to edit that Wikipedia article, and you should. Don't forget the legacy section, where there is a long list of people and organisations giving him enormous credit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham#Legacy
  - teleforce 3mo ago
    The fact that Newton did not cite Alhazen or Al-Haytham in his seminal and infamous optic books in English tell you what you need to know regarding the treatment by the western scholars of the muslims scholars [1],[2]. IMHO, this critical omission caused most of the modern physics and optical books and textbooks did not include Alhazen or Al-Haytham eventhough he literally contributed to modern optics more than Newton himself and lately considered the to be the father of modern science. Most probably the word camera (from the Arabic word kamar meaning room) was derived from his experimental work on optic. For perspective, I was educated in my high school in England, and in my Physics class no muslim scholars name ever mentioned in my many textbooks and in classes. The same goes to my chemistry and math classes. Guess how many times Newton was mentioned in my physics classes and textbooks? To be honest I lost my count because too many times. Mind you this little to no credits phenomena happened across the board from math, physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, medicine, etc. To put the things in perspective, now if you don't cite seminal prior work related to your research your paper or thesis, it will be subjected to re-submission. Imagine if Einstein did not even mention Newton's contributions in gravity, the English people will be go to war with Germany. OK, they did but that's for totally different reasons. [1] Did Isaac Newton plagiarize his work from Ibn-Al Haytham? https://www.quora.com/Did-Isaac-Newton-plagiarize-his-work-from-Ibn-Al-Haytham https://www.quora.com/Did-Isaac-Newton-plagiarize-his-work-f... [2] Opticks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opticks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opticks