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LLMs will tell you, without qualification (like “according to some school of thought”) that a woman is “any person that identifies as a woman”, which is, to say

LLMs will tell you, without qualification (like “according to some school of thought”) that a woman is “any person that identifies as a woman”, which is, to say the least, deeply politically biased by recent trends. A perfect example of what I'm talking about. The lines we draw for ourselves generally do not exist in nature. Nature is full of examples of species with hermaphroditic individuals, homosexual and bisexual individuals, asexual ones, and individuals with enough other attributes to render LGBTQA...-style acronyms pointless. The idea that there is something somehow politically or morally objectionable about someone whose hormones are aligned in a direction opposite their chromosomes is something we made up. Or more likely, something that people you voted for made up, in an effort to encourage more people with uninformed beliefs similar to yours to vote for them.

incrudible 4mo ago
This has nothing to do with the belief that a woman is simply someone who identifies as a woman. According to this belief, the following statement is sufficient to become a woman: I am a woman. I think this belief is absurd prima facie and would have been recognized as such by virtually anyone, say, ten years ago. I am not a woman. Furthermore, I do not believe that you believe I have been a woman while typing out that sentence in the middle. Do you?
- CamperBob2 4mo ago
  Whatever. It's none of my business what you call yourself. And none of the government's.
  - incrudible 4mo ago
    Is that so? So you reject laws that require people to affirm my gender based on nothing but my self identification? That is a right wing position in current year.
    - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
      This is such a vague claim that it is impossible to answer it in good faith. What do you mean by "affirm one's gender"? And what else are you supposed to do than treat people by how they present themselves and ask you to treat them? You can't exactly ask people for a gene test, or a peek inside their pants, or whatever else it is that would satisfy your curiosity. You are unfortunately correct that accosting people and demanding information about their sex or gender has become a right-wing position recently. Which is quite curious, given how traditionally, you would expect extreme individualism and liberalism of the "don't tread on me" kind to be a right-wing position. So where does this leave us? Are LLMs right-wing because they correctly point out that "there are only two sexes and every human fits into one of them" is not biologically correct, or that gender is a social construct? Or are they just, you know, correct when they say that?
      - CamperBob2 4mo ago
        Which is quite curious, given how traditionally, you would expect extreme individualism and liberalism of the "don't tread on me" kind to be a right-wing position. It's like gun control, famously championed by Ronald Reagan when the Black Panthers started arming up. Nothing but perhaps the speed of light is faster than a conservative dropping his defense of a given individual right the instant the Wrong People start exercising that right.
        Gareth321 4mo ago
        I don't think you know many conservatives or understand their position on this well. They/we are perfectly happy for a man to call himself a woman. The part where we draw the line is a) government policies forcing us to take part in the delusion, and b) schools reinforcing it with children. Let us remember that it was the paedophile named John Money who cam up with the hypothesis in the 50s that one could have a gendered soul distinct from their biological sex. He wasn't taken seriously until very recently because it's a crazy, unfalsifiable hypothesis. I'm happy to accept evidence of this gendered soul existing, but until now, no one has provided any. In the mean time, feel free to call yourself whatever you like. Just do not make laws forcing me to join in, and do not prey on children. These are not unreasonable requests.
- inigyou 4mo ago
  Identifying is more than just telling me you are something.

incrudible 4mo ago

This has nothing to do with the belief that a woman is simply someone who identifies as a woman. According to this belief, the following statement is sufficient to become a woman: I am a woman. I think this belief is absurd prima facie and would have been recognized as such by virtually anyone, say, ten years ago. I am not a woman. Furthermore, I do not believe that you believe I have been a woman while typing out that sentence in the middle. Do you?

CamperBob2 4mo ago
Whatever. It's none of my business what you call yourself. And none of the government's.
- incrudible 4mo ago
  Is that so? So you reject laws that require people to affirm my gender based on nothing but my self identification? That is a right wing position in current year.
  - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
    This is such a vague claim that it is impossible to answer it in good faith. What do you mean by "affirm one's gender"? And what else are you supposed to do than treat people by how they present themselves and ask you to treat them? You can't exactly ask people for a gene test, or a peek inside their pants, or whatever else it is that would satisfy your curiosity. You are unfortunately correct that accosting people and demanding information about their sex or gender has become a right-wing position recently. Which is quite curious, given how traditionally, you would expect extreme individualism and liberalism of the "don't tread on me" kind to be a right-wing position. So where does this leave us? Are LLMs right-wing because they correctly point out that "there are only two sexes and every human fits into one of them" is not biologically correct, or that gender is a social construct? Or are they just, you know, correct when they say that?
    - CamperBob2 4mo ago
      Which is quite curious, given how traditionally, you would expect extreme individualism and liberalism of the "don't tread on me" kind to be a right-wing position. It's like gun control, famously championed by Ronald Reagan when the Black Panthers started arming up. Nothing but perhaps the speed of light is faster than a conservative dropping his defense of a given individual right the instant the Wrong People start exercising that right.
      - Gareth321 4mo ago
        I don't think you know many conservatives or understand their position on this well. They/we are perfectly happy for a man to call himself a woman. The part where we draw the line is a) government policies forcing us to take part in the delusion, and b) schools reinforcing it with children. Let us remember that it was the paedophile named John Money who cam up with the hypothesis in the 50s that one could have a gendered soul distinct from their biological sex. He wasn't taken seriously until very recently because it's a crazy, unfalsifiable hypothesis. I'm happy to accept evidence of this gendered soul existing, but until now, no one has provided any. In the mean time, feel free to call yourself whatever you like. Just do not make laws forcing me to join in, and do not prey on children. These are not unreasonable requests.
inigyou 4mo ago
Identifying is more than just telling me you are something.