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>It's worth noting that Ballmer has publicly laughed in the face of two of the biggest innovations in the last 5 years - the iPhone and the iPad. Now they're ra

>It's worth noting that Ballmer has publicly laughed in the face of two of the biggest innovations in the last 5 years - the iPhone and the iPad. Now they're racing to catch up. Copy pasting from one of my previous comments. I'm tired of these kinds of statements. The golden rule is that companies' employee publicly have to put down their competitors' new strategies. Imagine if Balmer said the iPad is great it's going to kill us, or if Jobs said 7" tablets are good but we'll make only in two years, so wait for us to make it. Or even Andy Rubin saying that Android UI is laggy compared to iOS, fix coming in 18 months. All of them(except maybe Jobs) would be summarily fired or atleast will be forced to recant their statements immediately on threat of being fired. It's almost part of their job to publicly mock their competitors, or their shareholders will dump the stock. Privately they could be pissing in their pants about their competition, but you almost never hear about that except after maybe 5 years from unnamed sources. Care to think for a moment why? The more puzzling thing to me is, why do so many otherwise smart people actually think that these people publicly say what they really believe and really believe what they publicly say?

programminggeek 14y ago
Well, maybe it's my personality, but I expect people to be basically honest. I realize people lie constantly, but why should we believe anything that they say if we assume they are lying? As in, if I believe that Steve Ballmer is lying about the iPhone being an overpriced product that won't sell, why should I believe him when he says that Windows Phone will sell millions of devices and that it's worth developing for? I realize that nobody wants to admit that their competitors are making a good or better product than you, but I don't see why they wouldn't be willing to tell the truth. Maybe it's a midwest thing, but if we assume that Jobs, Ballmer, and Rubin are all lying through their teeth, why would we ever buy their products? That is even dumber than believing they are telling the truth. The only thing dumber than trusting someone is buying from someone you don't trust.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  Ever had to use a lawyer? You'll probably find no lawyer that hasn't 'lied' in some court case. In fact, it's a lawyer's job to present his client the best way in a court case to get the least punishment. What about buying a car or used car from a car dealer? Your salesman is 99.9999999% a liar. >why should I believe him when he says that Windows Phone will sell millions of devices and that it's worth developing for Why are someone's words or opinions enough to sway you? Can't you do your own research on the company's track record, the public demos, the public sales data etc. to make a (semi)informed decision? Ballmer could be telling the truth but he might be wrong in retrospect since he's heavily involved in the decisions on Windows Phone and would've changed course if he thinks it wouldn't succeed. Also, the politically correct word is 'spin', not lying. There are entire professions where you need to spin your way through. PR, Law, selling cars etc. come to mind. Perhaps take a poll on HN about how many people lied or hid the truth in an interview. I think you might find yourself leaving HN after seeing the results if you're so fixated on absolute honesty.
- oz 14y ago
  "if we assume that Jobs, Ballmer, and Rubin are all lying through their teeth, why would we ever buy their products?" Because the merits of a product have little or nothing to do with the public statements of their makers.
bad_user 14y ago
Thing is many of us that saw the iPhone knew how full of ridicule Balmer is right when he laughed about it. Nobody expects a CEO to admit that competition will probably destroy them. But actions count more than words and when asked he could have been tactful. Did you see Eric Schmidt or Larry Page laughing about Apple's devices? No, instead they were busy with building Android, as they could see the writing on the wall - namely that the future belongs to tightly controlled mobile devices, and they can be left out of the equation, unless they provide an alternative.

programminggeek 14y ago

Well, maybe it's my personality, but I expect people to be basically honest. I realize people lie constantly, but why should we believe anything that they say if we assume they are lying? As in, if I believe that Steve Ballmer is lying about the iPhone being an overpriced product that won't sell, why should I believe him when he says that Windows Phone will sell millions of devices and that it's worth developing for? I realize that nobody wants to admit that their competitors are making a good or better product than you, but I don't see why they wouldn't be willing to tell the truth. Maybe it's a midwest thing, but if we assume that Jobs, Ballmer, and Rubin are all lying through their teeth, why would we ever buy their products? That is even dumber than believing they are telling the truth. The only thing dumber than trusting someone is buying from someone you don't trust.

cooldeal 14y ago
Ever had to use a lawyer? You'll probably find no lawyer that hasn't 'lied' in some court case. In fact, it's a lawyer's job to present his client the best way in a court case to get the least punishment. What about buying a car or used car from a car dealer? Your salesman is 99.9999999% a liar. >why should I believe him when he says that Windows Phone will sell millions of devices and that it's worth developing for Why are someone's words or opinions enough to sway you? Can't you do your own research on the company's track record, the public demos, the public sales data etc. to make a (semi)informed decision? Ballmer could be telling the truth but he might be wrong in retrospect since he's heavily involved in the decisions on Windows Phone and would've changed course if he thinks it wouldn't succeed. Also, the politically correct word is 'spin', not lying. There are entire professions where you need to spin your way through. PR, Law, selling cars etc. come to mind. Perhaps take a poll on HN about how many people lied or hid the truth in an interview. I think you might find yourself leaving HN after seeing the results if you're so fixated on absolute honesty.
oz 14y ago
"if we assume that Jobs, Ballmer, and Rubin are all lying through their teeth, why would we ever buy their products?" Because the merits of a product have little or nothing to do with the public statements of their makers.

bad_user 14y ago

Thing is many of us that saw the iPhone knew how full of ridicule Balmer is right when he laughed about it. Nobody expects a CEO to admit that competition will probably destroy them. But actions count more than words and when asked he could have been tactful. Did you see Eric Schmidt or Larry Page laughing about Apple's devices? No, instead they were busy with building Android, as they could see the writing on the wall - namely that the future belongs to tightly controlled mobile devices, and they can be left out of the equation, unless they provide an alternative.