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Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

by petre 3mo ago

nehal3m 3mo ago
I think it’s a legal requirement, because it’s the same for Tesla.
- dzhiurgis 3mo ago
  At least with Tesla you have massive ecosystem of third party add-ons, including defeat devices. I do wish it was even quieter tho. It's kinda of a shame you got a quiet EV but then add annoying bingbongs.
- petre 3mo ago
  One can still make a good design within the legal requirement. It doesn't say how many dB the beeper has to have or adjust the level of assistance. Maybe pressure from Chinese manufacturers will force them to get their stuff together, cut back on the user hostile design.
- johanvts 3mo ago
  The speeding chime is legally required to be reset to on after every trip. But I find the speed signs are very rarely missed (model 3 highland), also its a single press on the main screen to disable. My warnings are +99% genuine cases where i need to slow down and I bet that’s true for +99% of people who have these system.
  - abustamam 3mo ago
    That's strange. I was reading through this thread nodding my head like "Ha, my Tesla doesn't have these annoyances!" until I saw your comment. I'm guessing though that you're in the EU (I'm in the US where it is almost considered criminal to go speed limit on the highway)
    - johanvts 3mo ago
      Yes, in the EU. On the plus side speed limits generally are higher than in the US.
    - amanaplanacanal 3mo ago
      Lots of bad road design in the US, where the speed the road is designed for and the speed limit assigned have almost nothing to do with each other.
      - abustamam 3mo ago
        Agreed. I live in a relatively new suburb of my city (built in 2022) and it was built past what would have been called "the boonies" a decade ago. The way to get to the city proper goes through country roads that probably used to only get a few dozen vehicles per hour, now having to handle massive traffic due to the new developments in this area (they're still building!) They're working on reworking the roads but the speed limits are nonsensical because of this history.
- jk3000 3mo ago
  Correct. I have reasonable insight into that particular world. Most none-sense is regulatory. There is less room for variation than one would assume too. Ironically, this is, in no small amount, reason for issues in competitiveness: ain't no cheap car with all these additional assistants. Especially for low-margin models it is devastating.
- freetonik 3mo ago
  In older VW Polos (at least) it was easy to disable that feature with two clicks on a physical button located on the steering wheel. Not so on the ID.3, and other newer Volkswagens, unfortunately.
Cthulhu_ 3mo ago
That may be one reason, the other being they lost the Chinese market almost overnight a few years ago.
- sehansen 3mo ago
  No they didn't. They had a hiccup in 2020 when the transition to electric cars really started accelerating but after they got their own electric cars into mass production they've reclaimed the top spot at 13.9% of the Chinese market. That's just ahead of Geely at 13.8%, Toyota at 7.8% and BYD at 7.1%. It was hard to find reputable numbers for all of Q1, so my source is only for january and february: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volkswagen-reclaims-top-spot-china-car-sales-byd-falls-fourth-ev-subsidies-fade-2026-03-13/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volksw...

Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

by petre 3mo ago

Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

nehal3m 3mo ago

I think it’s a legal requirement, because it’s the same for Tesla.

dzhiurgis 3mo ago
At least with Tesla you have massive ecosystem of third party add-ons, including defeat devices. I do wish it was even quieter tho. It's kinda of a shame you got a quiet EV but then add annoying bingbongs.
petre 3mo ago
One can still make a good design within the legal requirement. It doesn't say how many dB the beeper has to have or adjust the level of assistance. Maybe pressure from Chinese manufacturers will force them to get their stuff together, cut back on the user hostile design.
johanvts 3mo ago
The speeding chime is legally required to be reset to on after every trip. But I find the speed signs are very rarely missed (model 3 highland), also its a single press on the main screen to disable. My warnings are +99% genuine cases where i need to slow down and I bet that’s true for +99% of people who have these system.
- abustamam 3mo ago
  That's strange. I was reading through this thread nodding my head like "Ha, my Tesla doesn't have these annoyances!" until I saw your comment. I'm guessing though that you're in the EU (I'm in the US where it is almost considered criminal to go speed limit on the highway)
  - johanvts 3mo ago
    Yes, in the EU. On the plus side speed limits generally are higher than in the US.
  - amanaplanacanal 3mo ago
    Lots of bad road design in the US, where the speed the road is designed for and the speed limit assigned have almost nothing to do with each other.
    - abustamam 3mo ago
      Agreed. I live in a relatively new suburb of my city (built in 2022) and it was built past what would have been called "the boonies" a decade ago. The way to get to the city proper goes through country roads that probably used to only get a few dozen vehicles per hour, now having to handle massive traffic due to the new developments in this area (they're still building!) They're working on reworking the roads but the speed limits are nonsensical because of this history.
jk3000 3mo ago
Correct. I have reasonable insight into that particular world. Most none-sense is regulatory. There is less room for variation than one would assume too. Ironically, this is, in no small amount, reason for issues in competitiveness: ain't no cheap car with all these additional assistants. Especially for low-margin models it is devastating.
freetonik 3mo ago
In older VW Polos (at least) it was easy to disable that feature with two clicks on a physical button located on the steering wheel. Not so on the ID.3, and other newer Volkswagens, unfortunately.

Cthulhu_ 3mo ago

That may be one reason, the other being they lost the Chinese market almost overnight a few years ago.

sehansen 3mo ago
No they didn't. They had a hiccup in 2020 when the transition to electric cars really started accelerating but after they got their own electric cars into mass production they've reclaimed the top spot at 13.9% of the Chinese market. That's just ahead of Geely at 13.8%, Toyota at 7.8% and BYD at 7.1%. It was hard to find reputable numbers for all of Q1, so my source is only for january and february: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volkswagen-reclaims-top-spot-china-car-sales-byd-falls-fourth-ev-subsidies-fade-2026-03-13/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volksw...