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"Trust me bro, I can't point to them but they exist" is also all the evidence we have of Aliens, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
by ryandrake 4mo ago
"Trust me bro, I can't point to them but they exist" is also all the evidence we have of Aliens, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
- slopinthebag 4mo agoWhy don’t you just google ecosocialism? Read the wiki entry? Is that too difficult? Here: Elmar Altvater Ian Angus Rudolph Bahro Adam Bandt Hugo Blanco Murray Bookchin Jabari Brisport Walt Brown Paul Burkett Max Chandler-Mather Barry Commoner Jeremy Corbyn Pat Devine Jutta Ditfurth Sabrina Fernandes John Bellamy Foster Alberto Garzón André Gorz Ramachandra Guha Donna Haraway Howie Hawkins Jason Hickel Joan Herrera i Torres Naomi Klein Mark Carney Joel Kovel Dimitri Lascaris Enrique Leff Michael Löwy Caroline Lucas Andreas Malm David McReynolds Jean-Luc Mélenchon Steven Guilbeault Chico Mendes Luka Mesec George Monbiot William Morris Abdullah Öcalan James O'Connor David Orton Simon Pirani Zack Polanski Lee Rhiannon Raül Romeva Manuel Sacristán Ariel Salleh Joan Saura Pernille Skipper Jill Stein Chlöe Swarbrick Alan Thornett Peter Tatchell Alex Tyrrell Derek Wall Raymond Williams Gerrard Winstanley Avi Lewis
- ryandrake 4mo agoMaybe 6 of those people hold any kind of actual government position. The rest are either not in politics, former, retired from government, or dead. So ~six people control automobile regulation worldwide and are forcing people out of cars.... Right?
- slopinthebag 4mo agoYou do understand that's an incomplete list of prominent eco-socialists, not literally every single believer right?
- wizzwizz4 4mo agoThen why didn't you provide a list of the ones who are doing "their work"? Given how many people talk about this, supposedly with hard evidence (that's never, ultimately, presented), someone must have compiled such a list, tied the individuals to the policies they've effected, mapped out their influence, the coalitions and deals… and if you believe this for good reason, then you must have had access to this proof. On the other hand, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-socialism#Critique_of_actually_existing_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-socialism#Critique_of_actu... says: > Kovel believes that the forms of 'actually existing socialism' consisted of "public ownership of the means of production", rather than meeting "the true definition" of socialism as "a free association of producers", with the Party-State bureaucracy acting as the "alienating substitute 'public'".[130] and in general, I cannot find any examples of eco-socialists making the claims, or holding the beliefs, you're attributing to them. Eco-socialists are not, near as I can tell, a fan of the state, nor "government ownership".
- slopinthebag 4mo agoAh yes, we can’t criticize government initiatives and policy unless we have fully mapped out the exact people responsible for every line of law, including a detailed history of all their political views, and probably what they had for breakfast.
- wizzwizz4 4mo agoI do prefer to criticise government initiatives that actually exist, as opposed to ones that don't. Slotting real facts into a fictional narrative is a common tool of propagandists seeking to subvert potential opposition. If you truly care about the things you're complaining about, you should want to know what's really going on.
- slopinthebag 4mo agoWhat doesn’t exist? Was this article made up?
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