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Can't you turn that feature off? I often complain about the lack of buttons, but my car actually has a dedicated button to turn this safety feature off. IIRC,

by BeetleB 4mo ago

Can't you turn that feature off? I often complain about the lack of buttons, but my car actually has a dedicated button to turn this safety feature off. IIRC, veering from the lane is the cause of most collisions, so it makes sense to have this.

mort96 4mo ago
You can't turn it off, you can temporarily disable it but it gets enabled again the next time you get in the car. Regardless, I feel like maybe "suddenly automatically jerk the steering wheel to drive into oncoming traffic" mode should maybe be off by default? Although it would definitely make me less angry if it could be turned off.
- hparadiz 4mo ago
  A "feature" like this can easily kill someone in some of the sketchy mountain roads I've been on in Crete.
vladvasiliu 4mo ago
> IIRC, veering from the lane is the cause of most collisions, so it makes sense to have this. My dad's Toyota has this. The issue is it seems to have a hard time actually centering itself in the lane, so it'll just sway from side to side like a drunk driver if the lane is somewhat narrow. And you can forget about driving on secondary roads, which usually don't have markings on the sides. It'll keep trying to drive in the middle of the road. It's also extremely dangerous to try to correct your trajectory when there's an oncoming car on one of these roads where two cars barely fit, and you have to basically drive on the shoulder. Then there's the collision detection thing. It's basically guaranteed to beep at me whenever I enter my parents' narrow street with cars parked on both sides. Bonus points for it just beeping whenever it's unhappy about something, without having any kind of "log". So if you don't look at the instrument cluster at the exact moment it beeps, you'll have no idea what it wanted. I know about the "imminent collision" one because I saw the dashboard turn red from the corner of my eye and immediately complained to my dad about it. Apparently it does it pretty often when he's maneuvering in and out of the garage. Now, I know many people drive without paying any kind of attention to traffic, which is obviously very dangerous. But I'm not convinced these systems are that useful if people get used to ignoring them.
- BeetleB 4mo ago
  > My dad's Toyota has this. The issue is it seems to have a hard time actually centering itself in the lane, so it'll just sway from side to side like a drunk driver if the lane is somewhat narrow. Newer cars (or other cars) do a better job of this. Mine doesn't do the ping pong - it really does keep it centered. However, the point is that it should direct you back into the lane and you're supposed to take over. If it's ping ponging, it's because you as the driver are letting it. > Then there's the collision detection thing. It's basically guaranteed to beep at me whenever I enter my parents' narrow street with cars parked on both sides. Is this detecting at the corners and not the front? For example, my old 2016 car has collision detection, but it will only detect if something is in front of you head on. With my newer car, it's checking the corners. Still, I get the warning only when parking. And I can turn it off. > But I'm not convinced these systems are that useful if people get used to ignoring them. Agreed. I think some manufacturers do a better job than others, though.
  - Fuzzwah 4mo ago
    The person you're replying to mentioned a Toyota, which I also drive a newer model of. It has two modes: lane assist (which works like you have described) and lane centering (which automatically is enabled when you switch on cruise control). The centering will continuously nudge you towards what it decides is the center of your lane. It's awful and I've trained myself to automatically long press the button on the steering wheel to disable the entire system every time I get behind the wheel.
    - vladvasiliu 4mo ago
      > The centering will continuously nudge you towards what it decides is the center of your lane. This. It's not just beeping; if it thinks you're moving too close to the edge of the lane, it will steer the car to the other side. The only way for me to prevent doing it is by gripping the steering wheel like crazy. Who the hell drives like that?! No, having to fight the car just to stay put is a failure of the tech. IIRC, this is a 2022 model, so hopefully the tech has improved since.
  - 4mo ago
b112 4mo ago
Mine can be turned off. Three menu items deep, at each and every start of the car. No preferences. I simply disabled the camera and radar. The car was unsafe. Did I mention it emergency braked all the time, for no reason? No, it wasn't me, and almost getting rear ended all the time gets old fast. These systems are far too immature for use.
- bmitc 4mo ago
  What car? My Kia has dedicated buttons. It's three presses.
  - b112 4mo ago
    It's a Ford, with almost no physical buttons. (I edited my comment adding the word deep, to indicate it is 3 clicks deep. Very annoying.)
    - robotnikman 4mo ago
      I remember driving a Ford rental I was given when my car was being repaired that had the same issue with emergency stopping when it absolutely shouldn't be.
    - bmitc 4mo ago
      Yikes. I can't stand the fad to remove physical buttons. While Kia does a decent job (all of these controls I mentioned are on the steering wheel), they have gotten bad about the center dash having touch buttons.

by BeetleB 4mo ago

mort96 4mo ago

You can't turn it off, you can temporarily disable it but it gets enabled again the next time you get in the car. Regardless, I feel like maybe "suddenly automatically jerk the steering wheel to drive into oncoming traffic" mode should maybe be off by default? Although it would definitely make me less angry if it could be turned off.

hparadiz 4mo ago
A "feature" like this can easily kill someone in some of the sketchy mountain roads I've been on in Crete.

vladvasiliu 4mo ago

> IIRC, veering from the lane is the cause of most collisions, so it makes sense to have this. My dad's Toyota has this. The issue is it seems to have a hard time actually centering itself in the lane, so it'll just sway from side to side like a drunk driver if the lane is somewhat narrow. And you can forget about driving on secondary roads, which usually don't have markings on the sides. It'll keep trying to drive in the middle of the road. It's also extremely dangerous to try to correct your trajectory when there's an oncoming car on one of these roads where two cars barely fit, and you have to basically drive on the shoulder. Then there's the collision detection thing. It's basically guaranteed to beep at me whenever I enter my parents' narrow street with cars parked on both sides. Bonus points for it just beeping whenever it's unhappy about something, without having any kind of "log". So if you don't look at the instrument cluster at the exact moment it beeps, you'll have no idea what it wanted. I know about the "imminent collision" one because I saw the dashboard turn red from the corner of my eye and immediately complained to my dad about it. Apparently it does it pretty often when he's maneuvering in and out of the garage. Now, I know many people drive without paying any kind of attention to traffic, which is obviously very dangerous. But I'm not convinced these systems are that useful if people get used to ignoring them.

BeetleB 4mo ago
> My dad's Toyota has this. The issue is it seems to have a hard time actually centering itself in the lane, so it'll just sway from side to side like a drunk driver if the lane is somewhat narrow. Newer cars (or other cars) do a better job of this. Mine doesn't do the ping pong - it really does keep it centered. However, the point is that it should direct you back into the lane and you're supposed to take over. If it's ping ponging, it's because you as the driver are letting it. > Then there's the collision detection thing. It's basically guaranteed to beep at me whenever I enter my parents' narrow street with cars parked on both sides. Is this detecting at the corners and not the front? For example, my old 2016 car has collision detection, but it will only detect if something is in front of you head on. With my newer car, it's checking the corners. Still, I get the warning only when parking. And I can turn it off. > But I'm not convinced these systems are that useful if people get used to ignoring them. Agreed. I think some manufacturers do a better job than others, though.
- Fuzzwah 4mo ago
  The person you're replying to mentioned a Toyota, which I also drive a newer model of. It has two modes: lane assist (which works like you have described) and lane centering (which automatically is enabled when you switch on cruise control). The centering will continuously nudge you towards what it decides is the center of your lane. It's awful and I've trained myself to automatically long press the button on the steering wheel to disable the entire system every time I get behind the wheel.
  - vladvasiliu 4mo ago
    > The centering will continuously nudge you towards what it decides is the center of your lane. This. It's not just beeping; if it thinks you're moving too close to the edge of the lane, it will steer the car to the other side. The only way for me to prevent doing it is by gripping the steering wheel like crazy. Who the hell drives like that?! No, having to fight the car just to stay put is a failure of the tech. IIRC, this is a 2022 model, so hopefully the tech has improved since.
- 4mo ago

b112 4mo ago

Mine can be turned off. Three menu items deep, at each and every start of the car. No preferences. I simply disabled the camera and radar. The car was unsafe. Did I mention it emergency braked all the time, for no reason? No, it wasn't me, and almost getting rear ended all the time gets old fast. These systems are far too immature for use.

bmitc 4mo ago
What car? My Kia has dedicated buttons. It's three presses.
- b112 4mo ago
  It's a Ford, with almost no physical buttons. (I edited my comment adding the word deep, to indicate it is 3 clicks deep. Very annoying.)
  - robotnikman 4mo ago
    I remember driving a Ford rental I was given when my car was being repaired that had the same issue with emergency stopping when it absolutely shouldn't be.
  - bmitc 4mo ago
    Yikes. I can't stand the fad to remove physical buttons. While Kia does a decent job (all of these controls I mentioned are on the steering wheel), they have gotten bad about the center dash having touch buttons.