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Are you sure? Do you have an example of substantial disaster or scandal that resulted in loss of life and loss of face for China, but perpetuators got away? Fo
by ClumsyPilot 3mo ago
Are you sure?
Do you have an example of substantial disaster or scandal that resulted in loss of life and loss of face for China, but perpetuators got away?
For UK I have: Grenfell tower scandal (over 100 dead, no one in prison), infected blood scandal (thousands dead, no one in prison), postmaster scandal (thousands falsely imprisoned , no perpetrator in prison), etc.
- sbayg 3mo agoCOVID19
- reverius42 3mo agoWho, exactly, were the "perpetrators" of Covid19?
- copper-float 3mo agoWhoever funded the laboratories in Wuhan.
- ClumsyPilot 3mo ago>> The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) provided roughly $1.4 million to the Wuhan Institute of Virology So.. Biden?
- jamiek88 3mo agoCame to power in 2021 - time traveler too is he? Did you mean Trump?
- ClumsyPilot 3mo agoHard to tell one old man with dementia from another
- jamiek88 3mo agoWeird way of apologizing for being wrong. Keep that shit on Reddit.
- reverius42 3mo agoAccording to Wikipedia, the lab leak theory is, uh... unproven to say the least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lab_leak_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lab_leak_theory
- reverius42 3mo agoWhy is this downvoted? My claims are re: what Wikipedia says and are verifiably true. Whether you agree with Wikipedia or not is a different question.
- sbayg 3mo agoI wish there was an investigation but the CCP blockaded any inquiries, going so far as removing the computers and not cooperating with international authorities. /s
- jknoepfler 3mo agoAre we restricting this to businesses, or is the genocide of the Uyghurs fair game?
- nixon_why69 3mo agoThey ran a rolling internment program for a few years, holding people against their will in mandatory patriotism camp for months at a time. That's bad and wrong but you need to be killing people to call it genocide. It's been a master class in propaganda on this topic, look up the name Adrian Zenz and see how often he gets uncritically quoted.
- mmooss 3mo agoYou're omitting so much, such as torture and ethnic cleansing and massive levels of abuse. Any genocidal concentration camp could be called 'an internment camp'. Anyone reading this, just look up coverage in credible sources.
- saxonww 3mo ago> you need to be killing people to call it genocide No, you don't. https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-prevention-and-punishment-crime-genocide https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/... See Article 2.
- refurb 3mo agoSo the “-cide” root of the word which means “kill” no longer means that?
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- saxonww 3mo agoIt's never meant only that, but that's not the argument. We decided that a long time ago. Genocide refers to a People (race, kind, tribe, family, etc.), not individual people. The group is a concept, and 'killing' it doesn't have to involve the biological death of the group members. That's part of what the linked resolution is trying to say. For example, you could go sterilize every member of an ethnic group, without killing - causing the biological death of - any of them. None of them will be able to have children, and as they die of old age, the group disappears. That's genocide. Another example would be to forcibly separate all the members of the group and prevent them from engaging in the lifestyle associated with membership in the group (e.g. style of dress, music, food, language, worship, etc.). Over time, perhaps generations, the people basically give up trying to do any of these things if they even remember what they were. They have no group cohesion, so the group has essentially disappeared. No need to directly cause any biological death. The argument is that if this is done intentionally, it is also genocide. Genocide as a concept is about ending the group, not specifically the individual members. It's definitely true that you can end a group by killing all its members, though.
- illiac786 3mo agoWell but the point was, that these are wiped from the internet. Sure it’s convenient, but I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese government - I’m sure they have erased quite a bit of uncomfortable facts.
- throw2827274 3mo agoI don't understand how they could simultaneously wipe some things completely off the Internet and other things are completely leaked out.
- illiac786 3mo agoIf it leaks into independent medias, they probably will have a hard time erasing it. If they erase it before it makes it to any independent media, they have a good chance it will never surface again. At least that’s how I imagine it.
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