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You're only hearing about the ones caught and punished. You have no proof of "Zero tolerance", or of what percentage of people are caught.

• malfist 3mo ago
  "Zero tolerance" and "we catch every criminal" are two unrelated ideas.
  • elevation 3mo ago
    Yes -- and even a spectacular punishment does not establish the guilt of the recipient. Some may be innocent (framed) or only partially guilty (scapegoat.) Other may have been known to be guilty all along and has only recently fallen out of favor.
    • jimmydoe 3mo ago
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  • maerF0x0 3mo ago
    One of the problems with absolute authoritarian regimes is that the friends of those in power are defined as "not criminals", and vice versa for enemies. It's part of the reason I'm against presidential pardon. (Except for when it's retrospective on laws that have changed, maybe?)
  • observationist 3mo ago
    The thing they have zero tolerance for is the embarrassment, not the corruption, pollution, crime, or other abuse. You can do whatever you can get away with so long as you don't cause embarrassment or shame.
    • throw10920 3mo ago
      That's one of the big cultural differences that people from the West don't really get - that "saving face" is one of the core concepts that Eastern societies are built on - not the actual things that, when discovered, cause you to lose face (e.g. corruption).
      • blaufuchs 3mo ago
        Yeah it’s pretty funny how worked up the CCP get when they’re called out. “How dare you accuse us of launching a spy balloon?”. Whereas Russia hits you with the “oh those aren’t FSB agents, just lovers on vacation ;)”
        • ClumsyPilot 3mo ago
          Well I given that it wasn’t a spy balloon in the end, perhaps they had a point
          • nixon_why69 3mo ago
            I mean, the entire concept of "spy balloon over the continental US in the 21st century" could be considered a litmus test for critical thinking. A country with satellites is running a Wile E. Coyote tier balloon plot?
            • throw10920 3mo ago
              Yes, and if you think it's not feasible, you failed the critical thinking test. Balloons have the ability to observe signals that satellites do not. It's that simple.
              • nixon_why69 3mo ago
                While being incredibly obvious and easy (and justified) to shoot down, as we saw. But enlighten me. What critical signals intelligence was that balloon getting?
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  • dnautics 3mo ago
    luckily the phrase gp wrote was: "caught and punished" So, zero tolerance cannot be known without correct stats on both catching and punishing. so it is, indeed unknowable.
• maxglute 3mo ago
  CCDI has disciplined like 7m+ officials by now, flies and tigers (low and high), _you_ only hear about the juiciest tigers. 100+ provincial/ministerial officials gets investigated per year. It's a wide anti corruption program, lazy but easy back of envelop calc, there's ~100m CCP members, need to be CCP to be in politics and business, so 7/100 ~7% of those classes including top level, which feels like reasonable amount given historic corruption rates. Anecdotally, petty level corruption essentially gone, corrupt/graft industrial complex (banquets/gifts etc it was entire service sector withing broader luxury) went out of business 10 years ago. Not saying corruption gone - it's evolved to your normal financial vehicle engineering like in west.