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EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz or EU energy security. It is a complete joke.

embedding-shape 3mo ago
> EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz I thought I'd heard it all here on HN, but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot with a completely unnecessary war probably comes somewhere in top 5 easily.
- joe_mamba 3mo ago
  >but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot Please don't pretend to misunderstand a point just to manufacture the opportunity to reply in bad faith. Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world, people are just saying the EU should be busy building domestic capacity and capabilities to insulate itself from the issues caused by others around the world, such as securing domestic energy supplies so that the next time USrael blows up the middle east, the EU can just eat it no issue indead of being at the mercy of foreign oligarchs for overpriced energy. US is so monetary rich and energy rich that they can afford to blow up the middle east every 10 years with little domestic consequences for them, and still have enough gas to drive their Ford F-450s Super Duty to Walmart, heat their pools and AC their homes, without leading to national unrest, but EU is so energy starved that securing energy independence should have been a national security issue for the past 20 years already, not since 2022. And not just energy, EU is exposed in other areas as well (SW, AI, semiconductors, lithium batteries, agriculture, manufacturing, defense, etc), and again, it will only wake up in panic mode at the 11th hour when US or China twists their arm in some spontaneous international dispute. But politicians instead of focusing on preemptively securing these vulnerabilities BEFORE shit hits the fan, are too busy focusing on controlling people's privacy, which is what EU citizens and commenters here are criticizing.
  - rpadovani 3mo ago
    > Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world That's literally what the top poster said. Your points make sense, "EU should reopen Hormuz" is laughable
    - 73738384 3mo ago
      Either the EU opens Hormuz or the EU pays twice the pre war rate for gas / oil indefinitely. Of course at least they can put the subjects that bitch about it in jail now.
      - pqtyw 3mo ago
        Well everyone pays the same for oil (unless there are export/import control and adjusted by transportation costs) worldwide. So americans will be paying 2x as well its just that some of that money will stay in the country instead of going to the middle easter or US (which happens to be the largest supplier of oil to the EU) Back in 2025 EU imported ~15% from the gulf. China was over 40% and Japan at 95%...
      - ikrenji 3mo ago
        how is EU supposed to open hormuz? do you expect them to raise armies and go to war over a shipping lane? I think US demonstrated plenty enough this is not a viable strategy (this was known for the past 50 years)
        73738384 3mo ago
        yes that's what's known for the past million years, if you hurt people they stop bothering you and do what you want
        cindyllm 3mo ago
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        mcv 3mo ago
- drnick1 3mo ago
  > US shooting itself in the foot with a completely unnecessary war probably comes somewhere in top 5 easily. We aren't done yet. Game on after the midterms.
- holoduke 3mo ago
  The US is now getting money from every ship passing the street. How people not see that for the US the world is a game of command and conquer. They rule everything and if it's not ruled it gets bombed.
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inglor_cz 3mo ago
They do have us in their power. They don't have Iran under the same power.
judge2020 3mo ago
Would've been so much better to reduce the scope of your comment to just energy security. I don't see how the EU lived live with already higher energy prices compared to the US for so long and still don't make better renewable policy top priority.
athrowaway3z 3mo ago
What shows up in your news feed and what the politicians are spending time on are wildly different things.

embedding-shape 3mo ago

> EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz I thought I'd heard it all here on HN, but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot with a completely unnecessary war probably comes somewhere in top 5 easily.

joe_mamba 3mo ago
>but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot Please don't pretend to misunderstand a point just to manufacture the opportunity to reply in bad faith. Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world, people are just saying the EU should be busy building domestic capacity and capabilities to insulate itself from the issues caused by others around the world, such as securing domestic energy supplies so that the next time USrael blows up the middle east, the EU can just eat it no issue indead of being at the mercy of foreign oligarchs for overpriced energy. US is so monetary rich and energy rich that they can afford to blow up the middle east every 10 years with little domestic consequences for them, and still have enough gas to drive their Ford F-450s Super Duty to Walmart, heat their pools and AC their homes, without leading to national unrest, but EU is so energy starved that securing energy independence should have been a national security issue for the past 20 years already, not since 2022. And not just energy, EU is exposed in other areas as well (SW, AI, semiconductors, lithium batteries, agriculture, manufacturing, defense, etc), and again, it will only wake up in panic mode at the 11th hour when US or China twists their arm in some spontaneous international dispute. But politicians instead of focusing on preemptively securing these vulnerabilities BEFORE shit hits the fan, are too busy focusing on controlling people's privacy, which is what EU citizens and commenters here are criticizing.
- rpadovani 3mo ago
  > Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world That's literally what the top poster said. Your points make sense, "EU should reopen Hormuz" is laughable
  - 73738384 3mo ago
    Either the EU opens Hormuz or the EU pays twice the pre war rate for gas / oil indefinitely. Of course at least they can put the subjects that bitch about it in jail now.
    - pqtyw 3mo ago
      Well everyone pays the same for oil (unless there are export/import control and adjusted by transportation costs) worldwide. So americans will be paying 2x as well its just that some of that money will stay in the country instead of going to the middle easter or US (which happens to be the largest supplier of oil to the EU) Back in 2025 EU imported ~15% from the gulf. China was over 40% and Japan at 95%...
    - ikrenji 3mo ago
      how is EU supposed to open hormuz? do you expect them to raise armies and go to war over a shipping lane? I think US demonstrated plenty enough this is not a viable strategy (this was known for the past 50 years)
      - 73738384 3mo ago
        yes that's what's known for the past million years, if you hurt people they stop bothering you and do what you want
        cindyllm 3mo ago
        [dead]
      - mcv 3mo ago
drnick1 3mo ago
> US shooting itself in the foot with a completely unnecessary war probably comes somewhere in top 5 easily. We aren't done yet. Game on after the midterms.
holoduke 3mo ago
The US is now getting money from every ship passing the street. How people not see that for the US the world is a game of command and conquer. They rule everything and if it's not ruled it gets bombed.
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inglor_cz 3mo ago

They do have us in their power. They don't have Iran under the same power.

judge2020 3mo ago

Would've been so much better to reduce the scope of your comment to just energy security. I don't see how the EU lived live with already higher energy prices compared to the US for so long and still don't make better renewable policy top priority.

athrowaway3z 3mo ago

What shows up in your news feed and what the politicians are spending time on are wildly different things.