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Races don't exist on any biological level. Racists evidently do. Believing in the false construct of biological race doesn't necessarily make you a racist; it d

by dofm 4mo ago

Races don't exist on any biological level. Racists evidently do. Believing in the false construct of biological race doesn't necessarily make you a racist; it doesn't really even seem to be a precondition anymore. But it was the foundation for sociopolitical racism, so if the concept of race guides your thinking about people's characteristics, especially their non-physical characteristics, you are at least somewhat in danger of racist thinking.

simianwords 4mo ago
> Races don't exist on any biological level Races exist at the biological level. I'm surprised this is even contested. IDK what makes you think white person is different from a black person? Is it vibes? Even a kid knows that a white person has different DNA.
- dofm 4mo ago
  Black and white are not races. They are racial discrimination categories. People with black skin are not one identifiable group except "black skin". Which is a heritable trait that affects pigmentation used to create a social discrimination category. It does not make a single meaningfully identifiable group in any other sense. (It's not even consistently the same trait, on a biological level) You are talking about sociopolitical race discrimination and suggesting it has absolute, immutable biological mappings. It does not. This actually is quite close to real racism.
  - simianwords 4mo ago
    Black and white are not races? Here’s an excerpt from BLM > Additionally, Black Americans are among the top two racial groups who are most at risk of fatal encounters with police https://blacklivesmatter.com/blm-day/ https://blacklivesmatter.com/blm-day/ Stop trying to make normal people use academic definitions.
xienze 4mo ago
> Races don't exist on any biological level. You sure about that? https://www.nmdp.org/get-involved/join-the-registry/ethnicity-and-diversity-matter https://www.nmdp.org/get-involved/join-the-registry/ethnicit... > Finding the right donor for a patient isn’t simple. Donors and patients are matched largely based on genes called human leukocyte antigens (HLAs). These genes code for proteins—or markers—found on most of the cells in your body. When it comes to matching HLA types, a patient’s ethnic background is important in predicting the likelihood of finding a match. That’s because HLA is inherited. Some ethnic groups have more complex tissue types than others, which makes finding a close match more difficult.
- customguy 4mo ago
  That article doesn't mention the word "race" once. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) > there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptions of race are untenable Any educated person with access to the internet who never was even curious about this I'm suspicious of. If you don't arrive at it by the thought experiments a bored teenager might do, it takes like 5 minutes of reading, and then that's done.
  - xienze 4mo ago
    > That article doesn't mention the word "race" once. Are you being intentionally obtuse by pretending ethnicity and race can't be used interchangeably on a broad level? The entire point of requiring "diversity in bone marrow donation" is that you can't just take bone marrow from an ethnically caucasian ("white" in racial classification terms) and expect the transfer to be successful for an African American person ("black" in racial classification terms). Yes "white", "black" et al are imprecise terms but they broadly align with certain ethnic groups, and there ARE biological differences between ethnicities.
    - simianwords 4mo ago
      I think this discussion won't be productive because for them, dismissing race as a concept is a way to combat racism itself and prove higher moral ground.

by dofm 4mo ago

simianwords 4mo ago

> Races don't exist on any biological level Races exist at the biological level. I'm surprised this is even contested. IDK what makes you think white person is different from a black person? Is it vibes? Even a kid knows that a white person has different DNA.

dofm 4mo ago
Black and white are not races. They are racial discrimination categories. People with black skin are not one identifiable group except "black skin". Which is a heritable trait that affects pigmentation used to create a social discrimination category. It does not make a single meaningfully identifiable group in any other sense. (It's not even consistently the same trait, on a biological level) You are talking about sociopolitical race discrimination and suggesting it has absolute, immutable biological mappings. It does not. This actually is quite close to real racism.
- simianwords 4mo ago
  Black and white are not races? Here’s an excerpt from BLM > Additionally, Black Americans are among the top two racial groups who are most at risk of fatal encounters with police https://blacklivesmatter.com/blm-day/ https://blacklivesmatter.com/blm-day/ Stop trying to make normal people use academic definitions.

xienze 4mo ago

> Races don't exist on any biological level. You sure about that? https://www.nmdp.org/get-involved/join-the-registry/ethnicity-and-diversity-matter https://www.nmdp.org/get-involved/join-the-registry/ethnicit... > Finding the right donor for a patient isn’t simple. Donors and patients are matched largely based on genes called human leukocyte antigens (HLAs). These genes code for proteins—or markers—found on most of the cells in your body. When it comes to matching HLA types, a patient’s ethnic background is important in predicting the likelihood of finding a match. That’s because HLA is inherited. Some ethnic groups have more complex tissue types than others, which makes finding a close match more difficult.

customguy 4mo ago
That article doesn't mention the word "race" once. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) > there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptions of race are untenable Any educated person with access to the internet who never was even curious about this I'm suspicious of. If you don't arrive at it by the thought experiments a bored teenager might do, it takes like 5 minutes of reading, and then that's done.
- xienze 4mo ago
  > That article doesn't mention the word "race" once. Are you being intentionally obtuse by pretending ethnicity and race can't be used interchangeably on a broad level? The entire point of requiring "diversity in bone marrow donation" is that you can't just take bone marrow from an ethnically caucasian ("white" in racial classification terms) and expect the transfer to be successful for an African American person ("black" in racial classification terms). Yes "white", "black" et al are imprecise terms but they broadly align with certain ethnic groups, and there ARE biological differences between ethnicities.
  - simianwords 4mo ago
    I think this discussion won't be productive because for them, dismissing race as a concept is a way to combat racism itself and prove higher moral ground.