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The article is Aug 26, 2025, and describes events from April, over a year ago. Safeguards have improved drastically since then. > Many continue to ignore the

The article is Aug 26, 2025, and describes events from April, over a year ago. Safeguards have improved drastically since then. > Many continue to ignore the fact that they're hurting kids for profit. That's a rather hyperbolic way of putting it. A side effect of this particular product is that it occasionally harms kids. They're not profiting off of the harm, nor is the harm deliberate. Cars harm kids. There's decades of unsafe toys harming kids. The FDA exists to make sure food doesn't harm kids. We used to use lead paint and asbestos, which harm kids. Climate change harms kids. I'm sure some kids have used The Internet to Google Search this same information. There are books you can check out from the library on the topic. It's definitely worth acknowledging the edge cases, but it's absurd to act like the AI companies are some unique evil - IKEA has probably killed more kids than every LLM combined. I don't even have to pull out the big guns like "cars".

archagon 3mo ago
Seems pretty evil to pretend that safeguards around this product are even possible. They're not.
JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> Safeguards have improved drastically since then Source? Seriously. I'd love to see data showing deaths–or even frequencies–have dropped. My views on AI for under-16s is still evolving. Given how the AI companies are fighting these cases in court, and given their backers’ public rhetoric, I suspect they aren't seeing a one-off risk. > Cars harm kids This is tobacco-industry rhetoric. The relevant facts are frequency, magnitude and novelty (the last indicating we may be mis-sampling the first two). > FDA exists to make sure food doesn't harm kids Mm hmm. Where’s the FDA for AI and social media? > worth acknowledging the edge cases, but it's absurd to act like the AI companies are some unique evil I agree with this. AI isn't a unique evil. But AI companies are uniquely defensive, dismissive and negligent when it comes to harming kids. Call it the Mosseri Effect. When an industry continuously promotes people who predate on kids and their parents' wallets, the edge cases are going to wind up inside the lines.
- coryrc 3mo ago
  >> Cars harm kids > This is tobacco-industry rhetoric. The relevant facts are frequency, magnitude and novelty Cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States. More than cancer, more than guns, more than the next 7 reasons combined. > But AI companies are uniquely defensive, dismissive and negligent when it comes to harming kids. You should see how people feel if you ask them to give up some street parking to make streets safer for kids and everybody else! Jesus Christ himself gave them the spot in front of their house and fuck you for suggesting they park across the street or on their own property!
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    > Cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States. More than cancer, more than guns, more than the next 7 reasons combined Cars are heavily regulated. Require licenses to use. Entail massive losses of freedoms when used, e.g. you can be randomly breathalyzed or whatnot. Cars are dangerous. Comparing anything to a car (or, per Altman and now Dario, to a nuke) means it should be tightly regulated and controlled.
    - coryrc 3mo ago
      Essentially no one in the USA fails to get a license if they try for one. There's no ongoing competence testing. Washington State recently failed to advance legislation to make the fourth DUI have a jail sentence because it would be too expensive imprisoning that many people. > Cars are dangerous. You can kill yourself with a kitchen knife in your own kitchen. Should be "heavily regulate" that too? How about we have remotely-locked drawers and medicine bottles and you have to talk with a government shrink before opening? > Comparing anything to a car ... means it should be tightly regulated and controlled Popsicles come in many colors, just like cars! Regulate the popsicles! AI is, so far, like having a bottle of acetaminophen. Deadly if used incorrectly. It should be easy to lock away from children. It is not for the government to get in the way of how adults want to use it.
      - 3mo ago

archagon 3mo ago

Seems pretty evil to pretend that safeguards around this product are even possible. They're not.

JumpCrisscross 3mo ago

> Safeguards have improved drastically since then Source? Seriously. I'd love to see data showing deaths–or even frequencies–have dropped. My views on AI for under-16s is still evolving. Given how the AI companies are fighting these cases in court, and given their backers’ public rhetoric, I suspect they aren't seeing a one-off risk. > Cars harm kids This is tobacco-industry rhetoric. The relevant facts are frequency, magnitude and novelty (the last indicating we may be mis-sampling the first two). > FDA exists to make sure food doesn't harm kids Mm hmm. Where’s the FDA for AI and social media? > worth acknowledging the edge cases, but it's absurd to act like the AI companies are some unique evil I agree with this. AI isn't a unique evil. But AI companies are uniquely defensive, dismissive and negligent when it comes to harming kids. Call it the Mosseri Effect. When an industry continuously promotes people who predate on kids and their parents' wallets, the edge cases are going to wind up inside the lines.

coryrc 3mo ago
>> Cars harm kids > This is tobacco-industry rhetoric. The relevant facts are frequency, magnitude and novelty Cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States. More than cancer, more than guns, more than the next 7 reasons combined. > But AI companies are uniquely defensive, dismissive and negligent when it comes to harming kids. You should see how people feel if you ask them to give up some street parking to make streets safer for kids and everybody else! Jesus Christ himself gave them the spot in front of their house and fuck you for suggesting they park across the street or on their own property!
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > Cars are literally the number one killer of children 0-14 in the United States. More than cancer, more than guns, more than the next 7 reasons combined Cars are heavily regulated. Require licenses to use. Entail massive losses of freedoms when used, e.g. you can be randomly breathalyzed or whatnot. Cars are dangerous. Comparing anything to a car (or, per Altman and now Dario, to a nuke) means it should be tightly regulated and controlled.
  - coryrc 3mo ago
    Essentially no one in the USA fails to get a license if they try for one. There's no ongoing competence testing. Washington State recently failed to advance legislation to make the fourth DUI have a jail sentence because it would be too expensive imprisoning that many people. > Cars are dangerous. You can kill yourself with a kitchen knife in your own kitchen. Should be "heavily regulate" that too? How about we have remotely-locked drawers and medicine bottles and you have to talk with a government shrink before opening? > Comparing anything to a car ... means it should be tightly regulated and controlled Popsicles come in many colors, just like cars! Regulate the popsicles! AI is, so far, like having a bottle of acetaminophen. Deadly if used incorrectly. It should be easy to lock away from children. It is not for the government to get in the way of how adults want to use it.
    - 3mo ago