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Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in pytho

by panny 3mo ago

Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?

zdkaster 3mo ago
What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.
- duskwuff 3mo ago
  > I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol. Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_definition/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin... It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied tweaks for languages with easily confusable names. Many of the fluctuations in rankings - like the big dip in the ranking for C between 2015 and 2018 - probably have more to do with changes in search engine algorithms than any real change in popularity.
  - zdkaster 3mo ago
    Oh, thanks for the info. That's suprisingly a weird index to measure usage popularity...
  - gf000 3mo ago
    https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-26/ https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-2... This is usually considered a better ranking. This has Rust at #20.
- dlcarrier 3mo ago
  Scratch at #12 is even stranger. It's not even a programming language.
  - duskwuff 3mo ago
    It's sort of a programming language. But not a particularly general-purpose one.
  - baranul 3mo ago
    It makes sense, in terms of general usage and popularity, but not in terms of most requested for the job market or having the most legacy code. Different rankings measure different things, so it depends on what and how people want to assess languages and usage.
- netbsdusers 3mo ago
  It wouldn't surprise me if I learned that the vast majority of programming globally is in languages like Visual Basic or PHP that are utterly unfashionable on a board like this, but still make the world go round.
  - zdkaster 3mo ago
    It's a bit hard to comprehend that's reality to be honest. But I could see that it could be the case from the fact that old industrial factories or old corporates would still run with what works for them.
DangitBobby 3mo ago
The chart shows python really surged in popularity in the 2020s. I suppose the change is surge is from AI/ML really heating up for a few years, and is now starting to cool off.
baranul 3mo ago
Exactly! Often, it's that TIOBE doesn't count, if their favorite language is not doing well or goes down in the rankings. Then, if their language moves up in the rankings, it is time to shout from the rooftops to tell everyone to go look how well they're doing on TIOBE.

by panny 3mo ago

zdkaster 3mo ago

What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

duskwuff 3mo ago
> I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol. Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_definition/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin... It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied tweaks for languages with easily confusable names. Many of the fluctuations in rankings - like the big dip in the ranking for C between 2015 and 2018 - probably have more to do with changes in search engine algorithms than any real change in popularity.
- zdkaster 3mo ago
  Oh, thanks for the info. That's suprisingly a weird index to measure usage popularity...
- gf000 3mo ago
  https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-26/ https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-2... This is usually considered a better ranking. This has Rust at #20.
dlcarrier 3mo ago
Scratch at #12 is even stranger. It's not even a programming language.
- duskwuff 3mo ago
  It's sort of a programming language. But not a particularly general-purpose one.
- baranul 3mo ago
  It makes sense, in terms of general usage and popularity, but not in terms of most requested for the job market or having the most legacy code. Different rankings measure different things, so it depends on what and how people want to assess languages and usage.
netbsdusers 3mo ago
It wouldn't surprise me if I learned that the vast majority of programming globally is in languages like Visual Basic or PHP that are utterly unfashionable on a board like this, but still make the world go round.
- zdkaster 3mo ago
  It's a bit hard to comprehend that's reality to be honest. But I could see that it could be the case from the fact that old industrial factories or old corporates would still run with what works for them.

DangitBobby 3mo ago

The chart shows python really surged in popularity in the 2020s. I suppose the change is surge is from AI/ML really heating up for a few years, and is now starting to cool off.

baranul 3mo ago

Exactly! Often, it's that TIOBE doesn't count, if their favorite language is not doing well or goes down in the rankings. Then, if their language moves up in the rankings, it is time to shout from the rooftops to tell everyone to go look how well they're doing on TIOBE.