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Which exact part of the state of affairs? Because if your point is that the current regime is propped by US assistance, it sounds fair, but would Egypt be a dem

Which exact part of the state of affairs? Because if your point is that the current regime is propped by US assistance, it sounds fair, but would Egypt be a democracy if this military dictatorship disappears? If anything, revolution of 2011 suggests it's unlikely. Besides, your sources need to be updated as you seem to believe that Ukraine is within top 3 receivers of the US military aid, and it's definitely not true.

culi 3mo ago
The revolution that overthrew a US-backed authoritarian lead to a democratic election. The results of that election were thrown out the window when another coup brought in another US-backed authoritarian > Besides, your sources need to be updated as you seem to believe that Ukraine is within top 3 receivers of the US military aid, and it's definitely not true. As of 2026 Q2, the U.S. disbursed over $116 billion in aid to Ukraine and is obligated for a total of $177b. Yes the rest is being disbursed despite Trump's political antics https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/
- jedmeyers 3mo ago
  > As of 2026 Q2, the U.S. disbursed over $116 billion in aid to Ukraine and is obligated for a total of $177b. Yes the rest is being disbursed despite Trump's political antics Where are you getting those numbers from?
  - culi 3mo ago
    https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ Here's the Congressional Budget Justification for FY-2026 if you wanna dig in https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/FY-2026-State-CBJ-MASTER-6.3.2025-Updated.pdf https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/FY-2026-Sta... Total Appropriated: $195.03 billion Total Obligated: $177.76 billion Total Disbursed: $116.02 billion
    - jedmeyers 3mo ago
      This does not look to be “military” spending on Ukraine, it’s all spending.
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      - culi 3mo ago
        $135b of it is from the "Department of War". What percentage do you believe is not "military" spending and why do you think that? Also the distinction seems silly for a country in total war. Funding their medical or food system or whatever means they can re-allocate money to defense
- ido 3mo ago
  The results of that election were thrown out the window Might be good to mention the result of that election were Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood (the originator of many jihadist movements like Al-Qaeda).
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  - 4gotunameagain 3mo ago
    And that vague connection justifies what exactly ?
    - broken-kebab 3mo ago
      The parent correctly noted that the elected president represented ideology with ideals of is violent theocracy, and he almost immediately started powergrabbing, trying to gain non-supervised judicial and legislative powers in addition to executive. How vague is that? I don't know, to me it looks rather clear that this was a path from one authoritarianism to another.
      - culi 3mo ago
        Mohamed Morsi, far from a violent theocrat, was actually a neoliberal. Egypt, being 90-95% Muslim, ofc would take inspiration from Islamic law principles. Morsi was democratically elected and sought to maintain that democracy unlike that authoritarian that replaced him. The Brookings Institute even rated him with the Polity Index (which goes from -10 to +10 with -10 being autocratic and +10 being democratic) and concluded he got between a 2 and a 4. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/was-mohammed-morsi-really-an-autocrat/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/was-mohammed-morsi-really... Notably, unlike the current US-backed regime, he did not repress or imprison opponents. I'm obviously not a fan of either leaders but it's absurd to suggest he did anything that justified ending a democracy.
  - culi 3mo ago
    The result was definitely unfortunate. He was a neoliberal that was friendly to Israel, China, and even the Iran (to the dismay of the Brotherhood). He only won by about 4 percentage points. Definitely not what I would've wanted for Egypt (I don't think Egypt needed to further the failed neoliberal project) but it was a democratic election nonetheless.
- broken-kebab 3mo ago
  The phenomenon of mostly democratic elections installing the next authoritarianism is not unknown. And Morsi was clearly not a democrat. You are comparing multi-year overall aid with one-year specifically military assistance which is not how it works.

culi 3mo ago

The revolution that overthrew a US-backed authoritarian lead to a democratic election. The results of that election were thrown out the window when another coup brought in another US-backed authoritarian > Besides, your sources need to be updated as you seem to believe that Ukraine is within top 3 receivers of the US military aid, and it's definitely not true. As of 2026 Q2, the U.S. disbursed over $116 billion in aid to Ukraine and is obligated for a total of $177b. Yes the rest is being disbursed despite Trump's political antics https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

jedmeyers 3mo ago
> As of 2026 Q2, the U.S. disbursed over $116 billion in aid to Ukraine and is obligated for a total of $177b. Yes the rest is being disbursed despite Trump's political antics Where are you getting those numbers from?
- culi 3mo ago
  https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ Here's the Congressional Budget Justification for FY-2026 if you wanna dig in https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/FY-2026-State-CBJ-MASTER-6.3.2025-Updated.pdf https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/FY-2026-Sta... Total Appropriated: $195.03 billion Total Obligated: $177.76 billion Total Disbursed: $116.02 billion
  - jedmeyers 3mo ago
    This does not look to be “military” spending on Ukraine, it’s all spending.
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    - culi 3mo ago
      $135b of it is from the "Department of War". What percentage do you believe is not "military" spending and why do you think that? Also the distinction seems silly for a country in total war. Funding their medical or food system or whatever means they can re-allocate money to defense
ido 3mo ago
The results of that election were thrown out the window Might be good to mention the result of that election were Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood (the originator of many jihadist movements like Al-Qaeda).
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- 4gotunameagain 3mo ago
  And that vague connection justifies what exactly ?
  - broken-kebab 3mo ago
    The parent correctly noted that the elected president represented ideology with ideals of is violent theocracy, and he almost immediately started powergrabbing, trying to gain non-supervised judicial and legislative powers in addition to executive. How vague is that? I don't know, to me it looks rather clear that this was a path from one authoritarianism to another.
    - culi 3mo ago
      Mohamed Morsi, far from a violent theocrat, was actually a neoliberal. Egypt, being 90-95% Muslim, ofc would take inspiration from Islamic law principles. Morsi was democratically elected and sought to maintain that democracy unlike that authoritarian that replaced him. The Brookings Institute even rated him with the Polity Index (which goes from -10 to +10 with -10 being autocratic and +10 being democratic) and concluded he got between a 2 and a 4. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/was-mohammed-morsi-really-an-autocrat/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/was-mohammed-morsi-really... Notably, unlike the current US-backed regime, he did not repress or imprison opponents. I'm obviously not a fan of either leaders but it's absurd to suggest he did anything that justified ending a democracy.
- culi 3mo ago
  The result was definitely unfortunate. He was a neoliberal that was friendly to Israel, China, and even the Iran (to the dismay of the Brotherhood). He only won by about 4 percentage points. Definitely not what I would've wanted for Egypt (I don't think Egypt needed to further the failed neoliberal project) but it was a democratic election nonetheless.
broken-kebab 3mo ago
The phenomenon of mostly democratic elections installing the next authoritarianism is not unknown. And Morsi was clearly not a democrat. You are comparing multi-year overall aid with one-year specifically military assistance which is not how it works.