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Some people have disabilities or physical limitations.
by JohnMakin 3mo ago
Some people have disabilities or physical limitations.
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- AlienRobot 3mo agoDo these people you mention read a comment on the internet saying people should exercise more and think that comment is referring to them?
- JohnMakin 3mo agoI am one of “these people.” I’m pointing out something to the gp comment that people don’t consider when they make generalizing, moralizing comments like this.
- AlienRobot 3mo agoBut if the comment wasn't considering you, then they weren't telling you to exercise. Nobody is telling someone who physically can't run to run. There is no reason to interpret it this way.
- JohnMakin 3mo agoYou’re putting far too much into the response than is there. The point being responded to was “why optimize something like exercise?” a reason was given. It’s not as uncommon as you seem to be making it out to be.
- moscoe 3mo agoAll the more reason to be more active. Everyone struggles.
- JohnMakin 3mo agoNot necessarily to the same degree. Physical activity can be extremely painful with certain disabilities. In those cases, it can be useful to know how much is enough to stay healthy.
- filoleg 3mo agoFor those people, any kind of a generalized take on "how much you can get away with in terms of fitness" wouldn't be helpful either. They will need a way more specific advice tailored to their individual needs and physical limitations. It is pretty obvious the grandparent comment was just attempting to give a generalized advice, without claiming that it would comprehensively apply to every single niche condition out there (and it would be rather silly to expect it to).
- delis-thumbs-7e 3mo agoThere’s even Paralympics in this world. People with disabilities do sports, although obviously it complicates things.
- JohnMakin 3mo agoThose people are world class athletes. Lots of disabilities cause physical activity to be extraordinarily painful or difficult.
- delis-thumbs-7e 3mo agoObviously there is disabilities that make almost all physical activity impossible. I don’t see your point, I should have made a disclaimer ”except of course people who have amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, [list every possible disabling condition]?” But plenty of people with very disabling conditions became those world class athletes, or live life where they use their bodies to the extent they can. I bet it is because they have found a way to move they truly love. If you do something you like doing, you do it more.
- jodrellblank 3mo ago> "Lots of disabilities cause physical activity to be extraordinarily painful or difficult." Nobody claimed otherwise.
- shaewest 3mo agoAnd those limitations don't mean people can't exercise as a whole. As the list they provided explains, the goal is to find something you can do relatively consistently that gets you active. Walking even 5 minutes more than normal is an improvement for many, and you can even reach the level of sports like wheelchair rugby.
- Legend2440 3mo agoIf you are in this situation, you should see a physical therapist. Exercise is even more important if you have a disability, because your muscles will atrophy from disuse and cause even greater disability. E.g. if you stop moving your leg because you have a bad knee, you will now have a bad knee and a weak leg. If you go to PT and do exercises to strengthen the muscles around the knee, it can take load off the joint and improve function.
- JohnMakin 3mo agoLuckily PT is cheap and affordable and available under most us insurance plans.
- jjav 3mo agoI assume this is sarcasm? In the US, getting a medical plan to pay for physical therapy is an uphill battle akin to hiking Mt.Everest. Observed this both with my partner and parent. It's nearly impossible to achieve.
- filoleg 3mo agoWait, seriously? I broke my arm late last year in NYC pretty badly, ended up having to get a surgery for carpal tunnel release + a titanium plate implanted. Doctor told me I needed to do physical therapy for a few months after the surgery (which made perfect sense, because I could barely move/rotate my wrist, no finger/grip strength, and my mobility range was abysmal). I searched for a reputable PT place nearby that was accepting new patients and that was a member of the American Society of Hand Therapists (per my doctor's recommendation), scheduled an appointment for the week after, gave them my employer's insurance info, and that was it. I never had to interact with the insurance company throughout the entire process, and they covered it just fine. I know it is anecdotal, but out of my friends who deal with PT way more often than me (typically those who are seriously into competitive team sports), I am yet to hear of a differing experience either.
- JohnMakin 3mo ago
- gherkinnn 3mo agoI do not understand this type of objection. What is the point of shooting down a reasonable recommendation (in this case exercise and having fun doing so) with a handwavy moral plight such as yours? It truly is a bizarre spin on whataboutism.
- JohnMakin 3mo agoWhat objection is there? Talk about “handwavy” comments there. This framing is ableist, whether intentional or not, and I was pointing out not everyone is in a situation where this is the case: > How about you instead of trying to “get away with” as little exercise as possible you found a way to move your body that you genuinely enjoy? One should not optimise away sleep, nutrition and exercise. Answer: because exercise can be physically very painful, impossible, or sometimes dangerous for people with certain medical conditions. Knowing how much is enough can be useful to know without being shamed for “optimizing” away exercise. Hope that helps. Pointing out that people with different situations exist to a generalizing comment should not cause such offense, imho.
- unparagoned 3mo agoGod your comments are soo horrible and toxic.
- jodrellblank 3mo agoNobody claimed otherwise.