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>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbol

by w0utert 14y ago

>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? Why should I care some guy on the internet doesn't want a computer that isn't user serviceable, or a tablet that uses a curated app store that contains 'literally thousands upon thousands of apps I don't need'? Please just go tell your buddies on the linux forums how you built your own distro instead of trolling the internet with articles about stuff you don't like, or at the very least refrain from posting them on a site like Hacker News, which is supposed to be informational (I guess). The information content of this article is close to zero, it's nothing more than some random rant about stuff that's irrelevant for people who just use their computers to get shit done, instead of making a statement of idealism and tech-ethics out of them. Last time I checked, Macs running OS X are still great for almost any kind of creative application.

georgeorwell 14y ago
Well, if you consider that becoming the next Steve Jobs and running the next Apple is a dream/fantasy endgame for many startup people, then anything and everything related to Apple is interesting. Especially due to the prevalence of Apple hardware in so-called hacker circles.
pjmlp 14y ago
The thing is, I am OS agnostic and never built a Linux distro on my life. Yes, I even have Mac OS X systems available to me. Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings.
- w0utert 14y ago
  >> Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings. Just cut the emotional crap, it appears to impair your ability to see the point I'm trying to make. I've been using Linux and OS X alongside each other for over a decade, and many other *nix derivatives at work. I just pick the right tool for the right job, and more often than not, a Mac running OS X turns out to be the choice that offers the best tradeoffs, and allows me to do whatever I should or want to be doing with the lowest level of frustration. My HTPC/home server isn't running OS X, and neither does the VM I use to cross-compile packages for embedded systems. What does that say about Macs and OS X? Nothing. That said, the problem I have with articles like this hitting Hacker News is not because I can't stand the idea some people have different ideas about what a computer is to them and how it should work. I couldn't care less. The problem is that the information content of these dime-a-dozen run-of-the-mill Apple rants is close to zero. I simply don't understand their purpose, do I have to stop using Macs because some guy on the internet prefers to use something different for whatever reason that doesn't affect me, or almost anyone else who uses their computer as a tool to get shit done?
  - shadowmint 14y ago
    The issue here is that recent releases of OSX have sucked more than some earlier releases of OSX, and it's annoying some people. The hardware is now even more locked down than ever. These are facts. Does it mean you have to stop using a mac? No. Does it mean that some people are moving away from macs? Yes. Does it mean you need to rage because there's an article that mentions 'fan boys'? Not really. Chill out. If you have any cognant and articulate arguments why this guys opinion (which I happen to currently share) is a stupid opinion to have, by all means, I'm interested...
    - w0utert 14y ago
      >> If you have any cognant and articulate arguments why this guys opinion (which I happen to currently share) is a stupid opinion to have, by all means, I'm interested... Nowhere did I say his opinion was stupid, I'm not one to judge opinions. All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN. The cognant and articulate argument (?) here is that the internet has plenty of places to go if you want to read rants about why <insert technology or technology company here> sucks and why someone decided to leave for these elusive greener pastries that other platforms supposedly offer. Everyone knows Macs aren't the most serviceable computers on earth, and everyone knows iOS isn't intented to be an open platform for all purposes power users or developers would use regular computers for. I don't think many other arguments are required to illustrate the point this article doesn't add much -if anything- to HN as a medium for the technology startup space. Or, maybe it's just me, and other people really feel enlightened and satisfied after reading this article... :-/
      - jasonlotito 14y ago
        > All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN. OT: Do not read the article. Furthermore, do not comment on the article, nor should yo up vote it. If you feel the article violates some aspect of HN, flag it. However, if your reason for commenting is to just say: "I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN." then you are not contributing. You are, by admission, contributing less than the article you are commenting on. This is not an attack. Merely an observation. You value the quality of HN. Be the quality. Don't be the problem. On another note. You say: "I'm not one to judge opinions." But then you go on to judge the article, an opinion, and it's worthiness: "All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN." > Or, maybe it's just me, and other people really feel enlightened and satisfied after reading this article... :-/ People enjoy different things. You do not want to judge, so don't. =) The best thing you can do to promote what you want to see on HN is to promote those very things. Spending time contributing to things you don't enjoy does not help.
- sbuk 14y ago
  Maybe you should stop name calling. Just putting it out there.
josteink 14y ago
It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? You mean, as opposed to all the news praising every minor thing Apple does and banning all articles critical of Apple, which historically has always been the way things was here on HN? I think it's about time the tide changed, and it's probably a good reality check to the people stuck in the valley still believing that Apple "defines" the market.
- w0utert 14y ago
  What does that even mean? Is HN supposed to be a medium for the preservation of some kind of philosophical balance of power between operating systems and hardware vendors? Shame on me for thinking it was a medium to report on technology and the startup scene all along :-/ It's really sad to see how every.single.time community driven websites devolve into ideological crusades between people who can't seem to just accept different people have different preferences when it comes to computers (I'm being polite here). There's a meme in here somewhere, maybe I should try to coin it.
  - Shivetya 14y ago
    To be honest I have seen the same happen here as on other sites. The community seems to pass through phases with its view about a company. From initial interest, near blind loyalty, to OMG WTF they are evil. This happens with individuals in tech too, though there are examples where many end up redeemed in the eyes of the community. Apple began inching into the OMG WTF EVIL category awhile back for some and others eventually tagged along. That herd mentality that many sites develop does happen here too. Face it, HN is a community within each community are cliques that rise and fall in their influence and that comes out in how stories and comments are views and voted on
    - josh2600 14y ago
      Google Peter Thiel's "Founder as Victim, Founder as God" which is a treatise on this very subject.
stinos 14y ago
"Why should I care some guy on the internet" you shouldn't. And what you probably should also not do, is first write stuff like this and then do the opposite namely caring about it anyway (even though you seem to claim you don't) and then express that by posting your feelings about it on HN. "The information content of this article is close to zero, nothing more than some random rant" strrep( 'article', 'post' ); //The pot, the kettle, yadayada.

by w0utert 14y ago

georgeorwell 14y ago

Well, if you consider that becoming the next Steve Jobs and running the next Apple is a dream/fantasy endgame for many startup people, then anything and everything related to Apple is interesting. Especially due to the prevalence of Apple hardware in so-called hacker circles.

pjmlp 14y ago

The thing is, I am OS agnostic and never built a Linux distro on my life. Yes, I even have Mac OS X systems available to me. Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings.

w0utert 14y ago
>> Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings. Just cut the emotional crap, it appears to impair your ability to see the point I'm trying to make. I've been using Linux and OS X alongside each other for over a decade, and many other *nix derivatives at work. I just pick the right tool for the right job, and more often than not, a Mac running OS X turns out to be the choice that offers the best tradeoffs, and allows me to do whatever I should or want to be doing with the lowest level of frustration. My HTPC/home server isn't running OS X, and neither does the VM I use to cross-compile packages for embedded systems. What does that say about Macs and OS X? Nothing. That said, the problem I have with articles like this hitting Hacker News is not because I can't stand the idea some people have different ideas about what a computer is to them and how it should work. I couldn't care less. The problem is that the information content of these dime-a-dozen run-of-the-mill Apple rants is close to zero. I simply don't understand their purpose, do I have to stop using Macs because some guy on the internet prefers to use something different for whatever reason that doesn't affect me, or almost anyone else who uses their computer as a tool to get shit done?
- shadowmint 14y ago
  The issue here is that recent releases of OSX have sucked more than some earlier releases of OSX, and it's annoying some people. The hardware is now even more locked down than ever. These are facts. Does it mean you have to stop using a mac? No. Does it mean that some people are moving away from macs? Yes. Does it mean you need to rage because there's an article that mentions 'fan boys'? Not really. Chill out. If you have any cognant and articulate arguments why this guys opinion (which I happen to currently share) is a stupid opinion to have, by all means, I'm interested...
  - w0utert 14y ago
    >> If you have any cognant and articulate arguments why this guys opinion (which I happen to currently share) is a stupid opinion to have, by all means, I'm interested... Nowhere did I say his opinion was stupid, I'm not one to judge opinions. All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN. The cognant and articulate argument (?) here is that the internet has plenty of places to go if you want to read rants about why <insert technology or technology company here> sucks and why someone decided to leave for these elusive greener pastries that other platforms supposedly offer. Everyone knows Macs aren't the most serviceable computers on earth, and everyone knows iOS isn't intented to be an open platform for all purposes power users or developers would use regular computers for. I don't think many other arguments are required to illustrate the point this article doesn't add much -if anything- to HN as a medium for the technology startup space. Or, maybe it's just me, and other people really feel enlightened and satisfied after reading this article... :-/
    - jasonlotito 14y ago
      > All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN. OT: Do not read the article. Furthermore, do not comment on the article, nor should yo up vote it. If you feel the article violates some aspect of HN, flag it. However, if your reason for commenting is to just say: "I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN." then you are not contributing. You are, by admission, contributing less than the article you are commenting on. This is not an attack. Merely an observation. You value the quality of HN. Be the quality. Don't be the problem. On another note. You say: "I'm not one to judge opinions." But then you go on to judge the article, an opinion, and it's worthiness: "All I'm saying is that I don't see any value in reading it, particularly not in the context of HN." > Or, maybe it's just me, and other people really feel enlightened and satisfied after reading this article... :-/ People enjoy different things. You do not want to judge, so don't. =) The best thing you can do to promote what you want to see on HN is to promote those very things. Spending time contributing to things you don't enjoy does not help.
sbuk 14y ago
Maybe you should stop name calling. Just putting it out there.

josteink 14y ago

It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? You mean, as opposed to all the news praising every minor thing Apple does and banning all articles critical of Apple, which historically has always been the way things was here on HN? I think it's about time the tide changed, and it's probably a good reality check to the people stuck in the valley still believing that Apple "defines" the market.

w0utert 14y ago
What does that even mean? Is HN supposed to be a medium for the preservation of some kind of philosophical balance of power between operating systems and hardware vendors? Shame on me for thinking it was a medium to report on technology and the startup scene all along :-/ It's really sad to see how every.single.time community driven websites devolve into ideological crusades between people who can't seem to just accept different people have different preferences when it comes to computers (I'm being polite here). There's a meme in here somewhere, maybe I should try to coin it.
- Shivetya 14y ago
  To be honest I have seen the same happen here as on other sites. The community seems to pass through phases with its view about a company. From initial interest, near blind loyalty, to OMG WTF they are evil. This happens with individuals in tech too, though there are examples where many end up redeemed in the eyes of the community. Apple began inching into the OMG WTF EVIL category awhile back for some and others eventually tagged along. That herd mentality that many sites develop does happen here too. Face it, HN is a community within each community are cliques that rise and fall in their influence and that comes out in how stories and comments are views and voted on
  - josh2600 14y ago
    Google Peter Thiel's "Founder as Victim, Founder as God" which is a treatise on this very subject.

stinos 14y ago

"Why should I care some guy on the internet" you shouldn't. And what you probably should also not do, is first write stuff like this and then do the opposite namely caring about it anyway (even though you seem to claim you don't) and then express that by posting your feelings about it on HN. "The information content of this article is close to zero, nothing more than some random rant" strrep( 'article', 'post' ); //The pot, the kettle, yadayada.