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Claude has the worst pricing – but people want it

11 points by amukbils 3mo ago

When you build something people REALLY want, you can pull of ridiculous stunts like Claude's pricing: - Vague limits - Weekly/monthly usage stats ?? - 50% of your usage on Fable 5 - $200/mo subscription that doesn't include Fable 5 - But you can use it with "usage credits" I'm frustrated but am also hooked. Kinda of a lesson in startups in a way.

pmontra 3mo ago
Claude Pro with Sonnet 5 at $20 per month for a limit I never reach is OK. I'm using it 3 days per week full time. I'm also experimenting with DeepSeek 4 and it seems on par. Its API price is much cheaper and it's top up, not a subscription. I still didn't consume the $2 I loaded on my account sometimes in June. However they about to charge double price in what seems to be China's morning and afternoon.
- amukbils 3mo ago
  are you using it to write code? $20/mo was never enough and I'm not even full time on coding .. yeah different models are worth experimenting .. but I'm okay with paying higher for the best model .. just need predictability and stability of pricing, which Claude doesn't give, and yet we still use and pay for .. because it's such a good product.
  - pmontra 3mo ago
    Yes, a Rails project with a Vue frontend.
  - deleted 3mo ago
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  - elevation 3mo ago
    Yes, self contained python utilities. Claude runs on an isolated machine with no access to production data, its role is to generate tools that we can use to analyze production data.
  - leros 3mo ago
    The $20/mo plan was almost enough for me coding daily. Once I added Claude Design, I'd easily spend $20-50/day in extra usage. Upgrading to the $100 Max plan, I never come anywhere near the limits.
- 2001zhaozhao 3mo ago
  Sonnet has crazy high usage limits on claude right now but it'll get 50% more expensive after July ends.
coldtea 3mo ago
>I'm frustrated but am also hooked. Kinda of a lesson in startups in a way. It builds bad will, that will have users say "fuck them" on the first chance they get.
- _davide_ 3mo ago
  Yep, that's me. the only real blocker is that American companies don't trust Chinese providers, but i could just find a good American provider that hosts DeepSeek and/or GLM. I would at least be able to choose my own agent instead of a quite mediocre one that wastes time and output nonsense verbs in a pathetic attempt to gain sympathy. The only reason that stopped me from doing it is the absence of a subscription, and I did believe I couldn't get the same value with API pricing, but I'm starting to see that it's a blatant lie and true only for anthropic and openai...
- muzani 3mo ago
  I'm convinced a lot of investors were rich minority kids bullied as a youth, looking to bully the rest of world in revenge. You keep hearing things like, "The definition of a moat is being able to raise prices," and, "Your distribution must scale to 99-100% of the market and you should acquire the remaining ones." $20 is expensive for me. Netflix and Spotify subscriptions are pretty bloody expensive. And they're saying raise the prices? These people don't live in the real world, at least not in countries where 90% of people including the middle class don't have disposable income. Like it or not, AI is going to be a requirement, like shoes, running water, a smartphone, a car, a degree, insulin.
nnurmanov 3mo ago
This is basically why I built HailMary Fabric. Claude Code is good, but a lot of the cost is repo discovery: finding files, reading candidates, following imports, etc. Fabric indexes the repo locally and gives Claude Code the relevant context up front. Nothing goes to HailMary. Tiny early test on httpx: 58% lower API cost across 2 tasks, both passed tests. Repo is here if anyone wants to try it or poke holes in it: https://github.com/hailmarylabs/fabric/ https://github.com/hailmarylabs/fabric/
- blaqq2 3mo ago
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- nnurmanov 3mo ago
  To the comment below, I have no idea why CC subscription did not work, apparently they have some different way to connect? Thanks to the leaked source code, I am going to find it out:)
  - nnurmanov 3mo ago
    Fixed, now Fabric works with subscription plans as well. It took some time to figure it out, but the issue is resolved now. I shall push the updated release later to GitHub
ENGNR 3mo ago
Switching to Codex if their subscription includes 5.6 and Anthropic’s doesn’t include even some small quota of Fable. I’d be using local LLM’s if I didn’t want any access to frontier
tibbydudeza 3mo ago
DeepSeek - way cheaper and performant- still waiting for the awesome apps Fable enabled. I doubt it.
debdattabasu 3mo ago
Fable isn't needed except deep RE work. Opus 4.8 xhigh can code anything you throw at it and can code to public interfaces extremely well. I have rarely seen it make code level mistakes. In fact its the only model I feel that can actually code and I can actually trust to code. That's imo quite valuable.
rwhitman 3mo ago
I'm fairly certain it's just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks, on an individual basis.
cekiciistanbul 3mo ago
voov awesome
sudo_cowsay 3mo ago
I use Codex and it works like magic.
- aclfe 3mo ago
  Really? Somehow Codex worked horribly for me. I think the limits seem way worse than claude code, I tested it out for a month last week. Plus, somehow it doesn't feel even close to claude
  - sudo_cowsay 3mo ago
    I agree that the limits are terrible. However, I think it's a little bit of a glass half full or half empty. I decided to view it as a necessary pause so that I don't get addicted to the dopamine rush haha :)
    - aclfe 3mo ago
      lol that's fair, I tend to have higher requirements so I was even considering buying another account
      - sudo_cowsay 3mo ago
        Yeah, I'm just a solo high schooler dev. Pros are much different :)
        aclfe 3mo ago
        Hey I'm in college too! You have a whole life ahead, use it to the fullest :)
        sudo_cowsay 3mo ago
        Thanks! Good luck!
PaiDxng 3mo ago
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jeromie 3mo ago
You know, when the alternatives are to put money in the pockets of a sociopathic compulsive liar, ketamine fiend and nazi, put money in the pockets of a sociopathic compulsive liar, or give money to Dario, I'll pick Dario.
fieldnotes_rg 3mo ago
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muzani 3mo ago
It makes sense though. Fable is meant for hours or days of work. If you're not using it that way, just use Opus, it's smarter and half the price. If you are using it for long work, then you should probably be using the $200 plan.

11 points by amukbils 3mo ago

pmontra 3mo ago

Claude Pro with Sonnet 5 at $20 per month for a limit I never reach is OK. I'm using it 3 days per week full time. I'm also experimenting with DeepSeek 4 and it seems on par. Its API price is much cheaper and it's top up, not a subscription. I still didn't consume the $2 I loaded on my account sometimes in June. However they about to charge double price in what seems to be China's morning and afternoon.

amukbils 3mo ago
are you using it to write code? $20/mo was never enough and I'm not even full time on coding .. yeah different models are worth experimenting .. but I'm okay with paying higher for the best model .. just need predictability and stability of pricing, which Claude doesn't give, and yet we still use and pay for .. because it's such a good product.
- pmontra 3mo ago
  Yes, a Rails project with a Vue frontend.
- deleted 3mo ago
  [deleted]
- elevation 3mo ago
  Yes, self contained python utilities. Claude runs on an isolated machine with no access to production data, its role is to generate tools that we can use to analyze production data.
- leros 3mo ago
  The $20/mo plan was almost enough for me coding daily. Once I added Claude Design, I'd easily spend $20-50/day in extra usage. Upgrading to the $100 Max plan, I never come anywhere near the limits.
2001zhaozhao 3mo ago
Sonnet has crazy high usage limits on claude right now but it'll get 50% more expensive after July ends.

coldtea 3mo ago

>I'm frustrated but am also hooked. Kinda of a lesson in startups in a way. It builds bad will, that will have users say "fuck them" on the first chance they get.

_davide_ 3mo ago
Yep, that's me. the only real blocker is that American companies don't trust Chinese providers, but i could just find a good American provider that hosts DeepSeek and/or GLM. I would at least be able to choose my own agent instead of a quite mediocre one that wastes time and output nonsense verbs in a pathetic attempt to gain sympathy. The only reason that stopped me from doing it is the absence of a subscription, and I did believe I couldn't get the same value with API pricing, but I'm starting to see that it's a blatant lie and true only for anthropic and openai...
muzani 3mo ago
I'm convinced a lot of investors were rich minority kids bullied as a youth, looking to bully the rest of world in revenge. You keep hearing things like, "The definition of a moat is being able to raise prices," and, "Your distribution must scale to 99-100% of the market and you should acquire the remaining ones." $20 is expensive for me. Netflix and Spotify subscriptions are pretty bloody expensive. And they're saying raise the prices? These people don't live in the real world, at least not in countries where 90% of people including the middle class don't have disposable income. Like it or not, AI is going to be a requirement, like shoes, running water, a smartphone, a car, a degree, insulin.

nnurmanov 3mo ago

This is basically why I built HailMary Fabric. Claude Code is good, but a lot of the cost is repo discovery: finding files, reading candidates, following imports, etc. Fabric indexes the repo locally and gives Claude Code the relevant context up front. Nothing goes to HailMary. Tiny early test on httpx: 58% lower API cost across 2 tasks, both passed tests. Repo is here if anyone wants to try it or poke holes in it: https://github.com/hailmarylabs/fabric/ https://github.com/hailmarylabs/fabric/

blaqq2 3mo ago
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nnurmanov 3mo ago
To the comment below, I have no idea why CC subscription did not work, apparently they have some different way to connect? Thanks to the leaked source code, I am going to find it out:)
- nnurmanov 3mo ago
  Fixed, now Fabric works with subscription plans as well. It took some time to figure it out, but the issue is resolved now. I shall push the updated release later to GitHub

ENGNR 3mo ago

Switching to Codex if their subscription includes 5.6 and Anthropic’s doesn’t include even some small quota of Fable. I’d be using local LLM’s if I didn’t want any access to frontier

tibbydudeza 3mo ago

DeepSeek - way cheaper and performant- still waiting for the awesome apps Fable enabled. I doubt it.

debdattabasu 3mo ago

Fable isn't needed except deep RE work. Opus 4.8 xhigh can code anything you throw at it and can code to public interfaces extremely well. I have rarely seen it make code level mistakes. In fact its the only model I feel that can actually code and I can actually trust to code. That's imo quite valuable.

rwhitman 3mo ago

I'm fairly certain it's just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks, on an individual basis.

cekiciistanbul 3mo ago

voov awesome

sudo_cowsay 3mo ago

I use Codex and it works like magic.

aclfe 3mo ago
Really? Somehow Codex worked horribly for me. I think the limits seem way worse than claude code, I tested it out for a month last week. Plus, somehow it doesn't feel even close to claude
- sudo_cowsay 3mo ago
  I agree that the limits are terrible. However, I think it's a little bit of a glass half full or half empty. I decided to view it as a necessary pause so that I don't get addicted to the dopamine rush haha :)
  - aclfe 3mo ago
    lol that's fair, I tend to have higher requirements so I was even considering buying another account
    - sudo_cowsay 3mo ago
      Yeah, I'm just a solo high schooler dev. Pros are much different :)
      - aclfe 3mo ago
        Hey I'm in college too! You have a whole life ahead, use it to the fullest :)
        sudo_cowsay 3mo ago
        Thanks! Good luck!

PaiDxng 3mo ago

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jeromie 3mo ago

You know, when the alternatives are to put money in the pockets of a sociopathic compulsive liar, ketamine fiend and nazi, put money in the pockets of a sociopathic compulsive liar, or give money to Dario, I'll pick Dario.

fieldnotes_rg 3mo ago

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muzani 3mo ago

It makes sense though. Fable is meant for hours or days of work. If you're not using it that way, just use Opus, it's smarter and half the price. If you are using it for long work, then you should probably be using the $200 plan.