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The AI will be able to do all that for you. What you're touching on is the difference between comprehension vs merely being a vessel for information.

asveikau 3mo ago
I'll give you a very simple example I saw recently. I saw a dad joke in Spanish on social media and it gave me a chuckle. It was a comment to a lawyer's video and it translates to "can I study law if I'm a leftie?" It relies on the fact that law is also a word for "right". AI won't be able to succinctly translate that joke and have it hit the same way. As an experiment I just fed that into ChatGPT, and it did explain the pun in 6 paragraphs with quotations and a bulleted list, but that kills the simplicity of the humor.
- Thraway198 3mo ago
  It can't now. It will be able to in the future, when the translation actually becomes fluent for the user.
  - asveikau 3mo ago
    My point is that a succinct and correct translation for the pun does not exist in the target language.
    - Thraway198 3mo ago
      My point is that the AI will have that info understood as part of "being a translator," and react accordingly. The phenomenon you're describing is a basic fact of linguistics. Many things don't have direct translations, but they are still translated by fluent speakers of both languages.
      - asveikau 3mo ago
        I am fluent in both languages and I can't succinctly translate it. If I changed the meaning of the sentence, I could say, "can I study civil rights if I'm a lefty?" If it were text, I might give you the translation I already gave yesterday and add a footnote explaining the pun. Neither of these are ideal. One changes the meaning, the other is hard to understand.
        Thraway198 3mo ago
        Ok, so if a human, which is at the top of this ability to translate, choose this route. What's the problem with an LLM-translatoin bot doing it? It would just do that, give a possible translation, and explain the issue.
- mcswell 3mo ago
  I once saw a political cartoon that said "No votar basura." It played on the homophony between 'votar' = "to vote" and 'botar' = "to throw out." That said, there are plenty of jokes in English. Stop me if you've heard this one...

asveikau 3mo ago

I'll give you a very simple example I saw recently. I saw a dad joke in Spanish on social media and it gave me a chuckle. It was a comment to a lawyer's video and it translates to "can I study law if I'm a leftie?" It relies on the fact that law is also a word for "right". AI won't be able to succinctly translate that joke and have it hit the same way. As an experiment I just fed that into ChatGPT, and it did explain the pun in 6 paragraphs with quotations and a bulleted list, but that kills the simplicity of the humor.

Thraway198 3mo ago
It can't now. It will be able to in the future, when the translation actually becomes fluent for the user.
- asveikau 3mo ago
  My point is that a succinct and correct translation for the pun does not exist in the target language.
  - Thraway198 3mo ago
    My point is that the AI will have that info understood as part of "being a translator," and react accordingly. The phenomenon you're describing is a basic fact of linguistics. Many things don't have direct translations, but they are still translated by fluent speakers of both languages.
    - asveikau 3mo ago
      I am fluent in both languages and I can't succinctly translate it. If I changed the meaning of the sentence, I could say, "can I study civil rights if I'm a lefty?" If it were text, I might give you the translation I already gave yesterday and add a footnote explaining the pun. Neither of these are ideal. One changes the meaning, the other is hard to understand.
      - Thraway198 3mo ago
        Ok, so if a human, which is at the top of this ability to translate, choose this route. What's the problem with an LLM-translatoin bot doing it? It would just do that, give a possible translation, and explain the issue.
mcswell 3mo ago
I once saw a political cartoon that said "No votar basura." It played on the homophony between 'votar' = "to vote" and 'botar' = "to throw out." That said, there are plenty of jokes in English. Stop me if you've heard this one...