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Pro rich people crimes. They remain very much against poor people who break the law.

mindslight 3mo ago
I don't think this quite captures it. The "Dual State" concept seems much more on point. https://www.thefunsinthefight.com/p/welcome-to-the-dual-state-of-ai-regulation https://www.thefunsinthefight.com/p/welcome-to-the-dual-stat...
- burnt-resistor 3mo ago
  It's even more nuanced than that. Vaguely, there are 3 caste buckets: - A privileged state - for the rich and powerful to get away with crimes - A normative state - for ordinary people whom experience more prosecutions - A prerogative state - for poor and enemies whom experience arbitrary injustice and persecution for infractions or made-up crimes
  - mindslight 3mo ago
    I'd say you're making a different framework. In the dual state framework, your privileged state/caste is just an aspect of the prerogative state. The dual state framework doesn't declare "which way" the illegality goes. I'd say that trying to define that directionality is already trying to impart normative state concepts (of illegality) onto the prerogative state. Was Alex Pretti a victim of your prerogative state, and his executioners were merely government agents executing a state imperative? Or was he a victim of gang violence and his executioners were part of the privileged state? In the dual state framework, the answer is wu. But don't let me discourage you from expanding upon your framework! It may be more effective at explaining some things. It just needs to be more substantial than trying to do a simple tweak in an HN comment.
jackb4040 3mo ago
Let's be honest, poor people in general.
skeledrew 3mo ago
To be poor is a crime.
- ButlerianJihad 3mo ago
  You know, I wasn't raised poor but I was mentally ill from the very beginning, and somehow I always identified/sympathized with the poor more than anyone else; perhaps I aspired or expected to be poor, and poor is what I became. When you're poor, you can't help but be immersed in rebellion and discontent. Every song on the radio, every free TV show, every buddy at the dive bar is talking trash about your leadership and the powers that be. There was never any way for me to avoid the voices that hated everything I stood for, from the beginning, and basically being immersed in rebellion led me to intense self-hatred and a losing/denial of my own identity, as if I ever had it. And that's really problematic for the poor of today, who can get really immersed in global geopolitics, and exposed to all sorts of social media glurge, and being poor, they cannot really find escape from the "free to consume" media at every turn, and so the poor tend to be couch-potatoes who are fed by the television sets and YouTube and Facebook feeds, and eventually most of us drown in lies, and fake news, and bitter rebellion against every authority.
ceejayoz 3mo ago
> They remain very much against poor people who break the law. Plenty of those pardoned for their acts on Jan 6.
- sandworm101 3mo ago
  People with the time/money/energy to travel to DC for such things are not poor. They may claim poverty but the fact they made the trip, more often than not, evidences substantial disposable time/income.
  - ceejayoz 3mo ago
    Quite a few got public defenders, so nah. Some presumably lived near and didn’t have jobs.

I don't think this quite captures it. The "Dual State" concept seems much more on point. https://www.thefunsinthefight.com/p/welcome-to-the-dual-state-of-ai-regulation https://www.thefunsinthefight.com/p/welcome-to-the-dual-stat...

burnt-resistor 3mo ago
It's even more nuanced than that. Vaguely, there are 3 caste buckets: - A privileged state - for the rich and powerful to get away with crimes - A normative state - for ordinary people whom experience more prosecutions - A prerogative state - for poor and enemies whom experience arbitrary injustice and persecution for infractions or made-up crimes
- mindslight 3mo ago
  I'd say you're making a different framework. In the dual state framework, your privileged state/caste is just an aspect of the prerogative state. The dual state framework doesn't declare "which way" the illegality goes. I'd say that trying to define that directionality is already trying to impart normative state concepts (of illegality) onto the prerogative state. Was Alex Pretti a victim of your prerogative state, and his executioners were merely government agents executing a state imperative? Or was he a victim of gang violence and his executioners were part of the privileged state? In the dual state framework, the answer is wu. But don't let me discourage you from expanding upon your framework! It may be more effective at explaining some things. It just needs to be more substantial than trying to do a simple tweak in an HN comment.

jackb4040 3mo ago

Let's be honest, poor people in general.

skeledrew 3mo ago

To be poor is a crime.

ButlerianJihad 3mo ago
You know, I wasn't raised poor but I was mentally ill from the very beginning, and somehow I always identified/sympathized with the poor more than anyone else; perhaps I aspired or expected to be poor, and poor is what I became. When you're poor, you can't help but be immersed in rebellion and discontent. Every song on the radio, every free TV show, every buddy at the dive bar is talking trash about your leadership and the powers that be. There was never any way for me to avoid the voices that hated everything I stood for, from the beginning, and basically being immersed in rebellion led me to intense self-hatred and a losing/denial of my own identity, as if I ever had it. And that's really problematic for the poor of today, who can get really immersed in global geopolitics, and exposed to all sorts of social media glurge, and being poor, they cannot really find escape from the "free to consume" media at every turn, and so the poor tend to be couch-potatoes who are fed by the television sets and YouTube and Facebook feeds, and eventually most of us drown in lies, and fake news, and bitter rebellion against every authority.

ceejayoz 3mo ago

> They remain very much against poor people who break the law. Plenty of those pardoned for their acts on Jan 6.

sandworm101 3mo ago
People with the time/money/energy to travel to DC for such things are not poor. They may claim poverty but the fact they made the trip, more often than not, evidences substantial disposable time/income.
- ceejayoz 3mo ago
  Quite a few got public defenders, so nah. Some presumably lived near and didn’t have jobs.