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> criminal case against Abbott Laboratories over contaminated baby formula In Communist China they would be shot

by eunos 3mo ago

pavel_lishin 3mo ago
Hey, here in America, sometimes CEOs get shot as well.
- Kapura 3mo ago
  not by the state, however. important distinction.
  - morkalork 3mo ago
    Now that justice by official channels is closed, one wonders if a grieving parent will seek it out by unofficial means
    - garyfirestorm 3mo ago
      Parents could file a class action? RICO? How is this any different from organized crime?
    - jyounker 3mo ago
      It will take a bit more in general. I don't think we're at the point of Blair Mountain yet, but if things don't change, then it's coming.
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > here in America, sometimes CEOs get shot as well No, they don't. The UnitedHealth dude who got shot had a CEO title, but Thompson was ultimately a middle manager. The actual CEO of UnitedHealth Group–the one who signs off on its financial statements and fields quarterly calls–and the billionaire owners were fine. Which explains, in part, why nothing changed after the shooting.
  - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
    You're implying that something would have changed if a different person was shot instead. Structural problems don't work like that. The individual players have the incentives created for them by the system. To change it you need to change the game, not the players.
    - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
      > You're implying that something would have changed if a different person was shot instead. Structural problems don't work like that It would have sent the message its sender (and his supporters) intended to send. Instead, both sides got a convenient totem. Luigi's supporters get to pretend he was effective. The billionaire class got to consolidate power here and there by pretending he was more than a one off, and by pretending he was competent.
      - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
        You're still implying that it could have accomplished something if the target was someone else. Nobody involved with that company is the central pillar of The System the crumbling of which would allow the true revolution to finally come.
    - pavel_lishin 3mo ago
      It would have changed if healthcare CEOs kept getting shot. One getting shot is an anomaly; if one were being shot every week, then the system they operate under would be different. (To be clear: I am not advocating for changing the system in this way. A world ruled by vigilante justice is not a good world to live in.)
      - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
        If by "it" you mean the company would hire more security to prevent that from happening. Health insurance companies don't have absurdly high margins. They offer more expensive plans and less expensive plans. The less expensive plans will cause more claims to be denied (not covered by the cheaper policy), the more expensive plans cost more. People both can't afford the more expensive plan and can't afford to have a claim denied and then get upset, but the company can't actually fix that because it's caused by the regulatory environment. The only way for them to deny non-trivially fewer claims is to charge higher premiums. To actually fix it you have to solve the scarcity problems -- get rid of certificate of need laws, open more medical residency slots, require price transparency, etc., so that people can afford the plan that denies fewer claims. But those are all things the government would have to do rather than the company.
- red-iron-pine 3mo ago
  rarely
- briffle 3mo ago
  Here in America, if you or I get shot, a detective gets assigned the case along with 30 other cases on their desk. When a CEO gets shot, the largest city assigns an unlimited number of police to the case to find the person...
ourmandave 3mo ago
They also disappear you for selling books critical of the Party, so it's a two edged katana. Ex-HK bookseller Lam Wing-kee, detained by China in 2015, dies in Taiwan at 70 https://www.npr.org/2026/07/03/g-s1-131904/ex-hk-bookseller-lam-wing-kee-detained-by-china-in-2015-dies-in-taiwan-at-70 https://www.npr.org/2026/07/03/g-s1-131904/ex-hk-bookseller-...
- hightrix 3mo ago
  Yes, and so does trump's America. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/24/prairieland-texas-ice-protests-zines https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/...
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ButlerianJihad 3mo ago
That depends on whether the baby formula was destined for the domestic market to nourish good Chinese babies, or whether it was destined for export to the foreigners, right?

> criminal case against Abbott Laboratories over contaminated baby formula In Communist China they would be shot

by eunos 3mo ago

> criminal case against Abbott Laboratories over contaminated baby formula In Communist China they would be shot

pavel_lishin 3mo ago

Hey, here in America, sometimes CEOs get shot as well.

Kapura 3mo ago
not by the state, however. important distinction.
- morkalork 3mo ago
  Now that justice by official channels is closed, one wonders if a grieving parent will seek it out by unofficial means
  - garyfirestorm 3mo ago
    Parents could file a class action? RICO? How is this any different from organized crime?
  - jyounker 3mo ago
    It will take a bit more in general. I don't think we're at the point of Blair Mountain yet, but if things don't change, then it's coming.
JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> here in America, sometimes CEOs get shot as well No, they don't. The UnitedHealth dude who got shot had a CEO title, but Thompson was ultimately a middle manager. The actual CEO of UnitedHealth Group–the one who signs off on its financial statements and fields quarterly calls–and the billionaire owners were fine. Which explains, in part, why nothing changed after the shooting.
- AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
  You're implying that something would have changed if a different person was shot instead. Structural problems don't work like that. The individual players have the incentives created for them by the system. To change it you need to change the game, not the players.
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    > You're implying that something would have changed if a different person was shot instead. Structural problems don't work like that It would have sent the message its sender (and his supporters) intended to send. Instead, both sides got a convenient totem. Luigi's supporters get to pretend he was effective. The billionaire class got to consolidate power here and there by pretending he was more than a one off, and by pretending he was competent.
    - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
      You're still implying that it could have accomplished something if the target was someone else. Nobody involved with that company is the central pillar of The System the crumbling of which would allow the true revolution to finally come.
  - pavel_lishin 3mo ago
    It would have changed if healthcare CEOs kept getting shot. One getting shot is an anomaly; if one were being shot every week, then the system they operate under would be different. (To be clear: I am not advocating for changing the system in this way. A world ruled by vigilante justice is not a good world to live in.)
    - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
      If by "it" you mean the company would hire more security to prevent that from happening. Health insurance companies don't have absurdly high margins. They offer more expensive plans and less expensive plans. The less expensive plans will cause more claims to be denied (not covered by the cheaper policy), the more expensive plans cost more. People both can't afford the more expensive plan and can't afford to have a claim denied and then get upset, but the company can't actually fix that because it's caused by the regulatory environment. The only way for them to deny non-trivially fewer claims is to charge higher premiums. To actually fix it you have to solve the scarcity problems -- get rid of certificate of need laws, open more medical residency slots, require price transparency, etc., so that people can afford the plan that denies fewer claims. But those are all things the government would have to do rather than the company.
red-iron-pine 3mo ago
rarely
briffle 3mo ago
Here in America, if you or I get shot, a detective gets assigned the case along with 30 other cases on their desk. When a CEO gets shot, the largest city assigns an unlimited number of police to the case to find the person...

ourmandave 3mo ago

They also disappear you for selling books critical of the Party, so it's a two edged katana. Ex-HK bookseller Lam Wing-kee, detained by China in 2015, dies in Taiwan at 70 https://www.npr.org/2026/07/03/g-s1-131904/ex-hk-bookseller-lam-wing-kee-detained-by-china-in-2015-dies-in-taiwan-at-70 https://www.npr.org/2026/07/03/g-s1-131904/ex-hk-bookseller-...

hightrix 3mo ago
Yes, and so does trump's America. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/24/prairieland-texas-ice-protests-zines https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/...
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ButlerianJihad 3mo ago

That depends on whether the baby formula was destined for the domestic market to nourish good Chinese babies, or whether it was destined for export to the foreigners, right?