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The (ten) trillion dollar question is if Euro nations are going to foster fertile grounds for domestic American/Chinese competitor companies to grow, and at thi

The (ten) trillion dollar question is if Euro nations are going to foster fertile grounds for domestic American/Chinese competitor companies to grow, and at this point, grow rapidly. The second question is if this will be done jointly, or if old lines will come back over not wanting to be encumbered with "dead weight" in the need to move fast.

iib 4mo ago
If by dead-weight you mean the two speed Europe, I don't think that's possible. That weight is what makes the EU such a large market.
alephnerd 4mo ago
This is the issue. Both the US and China [0][1][2] are playing hardball against the EU because we both view the EU as a junior partner and tend to negotiate with individual states bilaterally. I think a lot of Europeans also don't realize that a large swathe of Chinese decisionmakers and policymakers studied in the US since the 1980s, and they tend to think and operate in the American manner as well. [0] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1361926.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1361926.shtml [1] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1362161.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1362161.shtml [2] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1364526.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1364526.shtml
jcfrei 4mo ago
No to both in my opinion. The EU market is in reality still heavily fractured - especially in the services sector. A Hungarian construction company for example can't just easily build a bridge for a town in Italy. With Europe steadily getting older effective reforms become near impossible - especially those that would lead to large changes for workers. So Europe will forever stay in this semi broken / semi integrated state - and much higher trade barriers towards China and the US seem much more likely to me than a more competitive Europe.
holowoodman 4mo ago
Old lines were never gone. All the talk about Europeans finally doing a common thing always carry some footnotes like "the Republic of France reserves the right to deviate in matters of military, security and production of sparkling wines and demands a 45% part in all tenders". Trump just needs to threaten champagne tax and France will surrender, or car tax and Germany will. Absent outside pressure, it is even worse. European treaties consist of more national exceptions than commonalities.

iib 4mo ago

If by dead-weight you mean the two speed Europe, I don't think that's possible. That weight is what makes the EU such a large market.

alephnerd 4mo ago

This is the issue. Both the US and China [0][1][2] are playing hardball against the EU because we both view the EU as a junior partner and tend to negotiate with individual states bilaterally. I think a lot of Europeans also don't realize that a large swathe of Chinese decisionmakers and policymakers studied in the US since the 1980s, and they tend to think and operate in the American manner as well. [0] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1361926.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1361926.shtml [1] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1362161.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1362161.shtml [2] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1364526.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1364526.shtml

jcfrei 4mo ago

No to both in my opinion. The EU market is in reality still heavily fractured - especially in the services sector. A Hungarian construction company for example can't just easily build a bridge for a town in Italy. With Europe steadily getting older effective reforms become near impossible - especially those that would lead to large changes for workers. So Europe will forever stay in this semi broken / semi integrated state - and much higher trade barriers towards China and the US seem much more likely to me than a more competitive Europe.

holowoodman 4mo ago

Old lines were never gone. All the talk about Europeans finally doing a common thing always carry some footnotes like "the Republic of France reserves the right to deviate in matters of military, security and production of sparkling wines and demands a 45% part in all tenders". Trump just needs to threaten champagne tax and France will surrender, or car tax and Germany will. Absent outside pressure, it is even worse. European treaties consist of more national exceptions than commonalities.