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> even "open source" parts are going to be under non-commercial license (CC BY-NC-SA) anyway You're saying this as if it is a bad thing? I absolutely welcome t

> even "open source" parts are going to be under non-commercial license (CC BY-NC-SA) anyway You're saying this as if it is a bad thing? I absolutely welcome this decision by the authors!

lima 3mo ago
Non commercial licenses are not generally considered open source
- worik 3mo ago
  Yes But how important?
  - __float 3mo ago
    If it is not an open source license, you should not call it open source. Imagine someone saying the same thing about MongoDB's license, for example.
    - Sankozi 3mo ago
      Is there a Linux server run on fully open source hardware (what would that mean btw?)? Should we stop using "open source" because almost all computers are not fully open source?
      - sehansen 3mo ago
        Quite a lot of open source hardware is licensed under the BY-SA Creative Commons license which is an actual open source license. E.g. the Arduinos and things like the Milkymist One which can actually run linux.
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      - hannasanarion 3mo ago
        What are you even trying to say? The fact that this is hardware isn't what makes it non-open source, there's plenty of open source hardware out there. The thing that makes it not-open-source is that the license is non-commercial. If you can't legally use the product, the fact that the source is available is meaningless. CC-NC is a source available license, not an open source license.
      - dpoloncsak 3mo ago
        A Raspberry Pi running any flavor of linux, right?
happymellon 3mo ago
Why? Restricting it in this way doesn't make sense to me. If we have a common design them surely we want people to be able to build their own, or buy a prebuilt?
- whilenot-dev 3mo ago
  Why is the CC BY-NC-SA stopping me to build my own?
  - numpad0 3mo ago
    dmca?
  - happymellon 3mo ago
    I didn't say it did. If it is a noncommercial licence then it removes the other option to set up a business selling these pre-built. Not everyone wants to build a printer.
    - wizzwizz4 3mo ago
      No, it doesn't: I can build a machine described in an All Rights Reserved book. CC BY-SA-NC grants additional permissions on top of that, but it doesn't remove any. You're thinking of patents.
      - happymellon 3mo ago
        https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/deed.en https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/deed.en > NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. I mean, the licence says that I can't...

> even "open source" parts are going to be under non-commercial license (CC BY-NC-SA) anyway You're saying this as if it is a bad thing? I absolutely welcome this decision by the authors!

lima 3mo ago

Non commercial licenses are not generally considered open source

worik 3mo ago
Yes But how important?
- __float 3mo ago
  If it is not an open source license, you should not call it open source. Imagine someone saying the same thing about MongoDB's license, for example.
  - Sankozi 3mo ago
    Is there a Linux server run on fully open source hardware (what would that mean btw?)? Should we stop using "open source" because almost all computers are not fully open source?
    - sehansen 3mo ago
      Quite a lot of open source hardware is licensed under the BY-SA Creative Commons license which is an actual open source license. E.g. the Arduinos and things like the Milkymist One which can actually run linux.
      - deleted 3mo ago
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    - hannasanarion 3mo ago
      What are you even trying to say? The fact that this is hardware isn't what makes it non-open source, there's plenty of open source hardware out there. The thing that makes it not-open-source is that the license is non-commercial. If you can't legally use the product, the fact that the source is available is meaningless. CC-NC is a source available license, not an open source license.
    - dpoloncsak 3mo ago
      A Raspberry Pi running any flavor of linux, right?

happymellon 3mo ago

Why? Restricting it in this way doesn't make sense to me. If we have a common design them surely we want people to be able to build their own, or buy a prebuilt?

whilenot-dev 3mo ago
Why is the CC BY-NC-SA stopping me to build my own?
- numpad0 3mo ago
  dmca?
- happymellon 3mo ago
  I didn't say it did. If it is a noncommercial licence then it removes the other option to set up a business selling these pre-built. Not everyone wants to build a printer.
  - wizzwizz4 3mo ago
    No, it doesn't: I can build a machine described in an All Rights Reserved book. CC BY-SA-NC grants additional permissions on top of that, but it doesn't remove any. You're thinking of patents.
    - happymellon 3mo ago
      https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/deed.en https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/deed.en > NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. I mean, the licence says that I can't...