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hananova 4mo ago
What is the current go-to unofficial firmware? Mine had extreme but I think that one’s dead?
- nekusar 4mo ago
  I'm currently using https://momentum-fw.dev/ https://momentum-fw.dev/ Works well, and compiling modules like the epaper hacker tool is easy. https://github.com/i12bp8/TagTinker https://github.com/i12bp8/TagTinker
  - hananova 4mo ago
    Thanks for the suggestion!
rufo 4mo ago
Given they’ve had several skirmishes with customs and law enforcement agencies around the world, this always struck me as similar to the “don’t talk about installing retail Switch games on the Switch modding Discord” type of deal - everyone knows you can do that, but allowing mentions in official channels opens us to liability and causes nothing but headaches for both us and for customers, so if you’re going to do that, you need to talk about it somewhere else. I freely admit that’s an assumption on my part, though, and I don’t know if there’s something uglier there…?
- nekusar 4mo ago
  Its one thing to have a skid come in going "I wanna hack the RFID on the gubbmints's doors how can i do that?" Versus "we forked the firmware to include a wide range of pentesting tools" And then get banned for even saying the alternate firmware. And seriously, this little thing is a wonderful hacker multitool. You can seriously fuck shit up with the hardware they included. For fucks sake, thats WHY they created it.
  - pocksuppet 4mo ago
    That's how you have to be on Discord, or else your guild gets banned from Discord. I wish we weren't using this crap. On IRC, sometimes you had to deal with cranky netops, but they mostly left you alone.
  - bigiain 4mo ago
    Any advice on good communities or sources of (reliable) information on alternative firmwares and pen testing type tools?
    - embedding-shape 4mo ago
      IRC is still alive and there is bunch of communities around that are a bit more lax, probably because they're half-dead compared to what they used to be. Today probabably Libera.chat would be the best introduction if you haven't touched IRC before.
  - UqWBcuFx6NV4r 4mo ago
    Absolutely nothing you said refutes anything in the comment you’re replying to. You are just reiterating “I’m angry and this is stupid”. Go write in your journal or something. It’s impossible to engage with someone who isn’t engaging themselves.
  - ButlerianJihad 4mo ago
    “Furries Forking Flipper Firmware” sounds like a promising and/or true and/or Garden-Path headline
gear54rus 4mo ago
I can understand why that happened at least remotely. If you do all those things they refused 'officially', it might be easier for stupid government idiots to paint it as a dangerous illegal tool. Adding the necessary hardware while refusing to support arbitrarily iLLegAl things is the best of both worlds.
- hdgr 4mo ago
  This. Many legit, but questionable features blown out of proportion already caused many issues with regulators who just don't want to get into details, but just delist from sales/ban the device. And once you start talking about "jamming" and other 1337 h4x0r stuff - which is straight up illegal and can get you into trouble - on official platforms, don't get offended when that gets removed.
  - nekusar 4mo ago
    Sure. I get why you don't want the skids jamming. But hell, it is still in your github commit history. Your all historical work was that of a attacking hacker toolkit. Jamming proves that. Now, that absolutely does NOT excuse Adkins on the discord from people asking how to get the PSK for garage door openers, and emulating the buttons. And especially since it was being asked by owners of said doors. But you banned people with legitimate and legal uses too. Good riddance to you all. I've stayed with 3rd party and steered others towards better actors than yourselves.
15155 4mo ago
> mention ANY of the alternate firmwares on their discord, and you get banned Does it surprise you that a Russian product team would use these tactics?
- nekusar 4mo ago
  Nyet.
arkits 4mo ago
are there any chinese knock offs of the hardware? i've yet to find something that integrates all the features this well
- avipars 4mo ago
  On aliexpress there are but I can't vouch for their quality
elliotec 4mo ago
Agreed 100% - they bricked the thing with official firmwares, and the "community" is the meanest most awful group of so-called hackers I've ever interacted with. It's more than just COA, they're actively aggressive and insular, not just on discord but reddit and less-known places too (which you can't know because you'll be banned for asking where you could find out).
Shorel 4mo ago
I would be interested in the names and descriptions of these legit pentesting tools.
tomhow 4mo ago
Please don't fulminate on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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by nekusar 4mo ago

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hananova 4mo ago

What is the current go-to unofficial firmware? Mine had extreme but I think that one’s dead?

nekusar 4mo ago
I'm currently using https://momentum-fw.dev/ https://momentum-fw.dev/ Works well, and compiling modules like the epaper hacker tool is easy. https://github.com/i12bp8/TagTinker https://github.com/i12bp8/TagTinker
- hananova 4mo ago
  Thanks for the suggestion!

rufo 4mo ago

Given they’ve had several skirmishes with customs and law enforcement agencies around the world, this always struck me as similar to the “don’t talk about installing retail Switch games on the Switch modding Discord” type of deal - everyone knows you can do that, but allowing mentions in official channels opens us to liability and causes nothing but headaches for both us and for customers, so if you’re going to do that, you need to talk about it somewhere else. I freely admit that’s an assumption on my part, though, and I don’t know if there’s something uglier there…?

nekusar 4mo ago
Its one thing to have a skid come in going "I wanna hack the RFID on the gubbmints's doors how can i do that?" Versus "we forked the firmware to include a wide range of pentesting tools" And then get banned for even saying the alternate firmware. And seriously, this little thing is a wonderful hacker multitool. You can seriously fuck shit up with the hardware they included. For fucks sake, thats WHY they created it.
- pocksuppet 4mo ago
  That's how you have to be on Discord, or else your guild gets banned from Discord. I wish we weren't using this crap. On IRC, sometimes you had to deal with cranky netops, but they mostly left you alone.
- bigiain 4mo ago
  Any advice on good communities or sources of (reliable) information on alternative firmwares and pen testing type tools?
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    IRC is still alive and there is bunch of communities around that are a bit more lax, probably because they're half-dead compared to what they used to be. Today probabably Libera.chat would be the best introduction if you haven't touched IRC before.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 4mo ago
  Absolutely nothing you said refutes anything in the comment you’re replying to. You are just reiterating “I’m angry and this is stupid”. Go write in your journal or something. It’s impossible to engage with someone who isn’t engaging themselves.
- ButlerianJihad 4mo ago
  “Furries Forking Flipper Firmware” sounds like a promising and/or true and/or Garden-Path headline

gear54rus 4mo ago

I can understand why that happened at least remotely. If you do all those things they refused 'officially', it might be easier for stupid government idiots to paint it as a dangerous illegal tool. Adding the necessary hardware while refusing to support arbitrarily iLLegAl things is the best of both worlds.

hdgr 4mo ago
This. Many legit, but questionable features blown out of proportion already caused many issues with regulators who just don't want to get into details, but just delist from sales/ban the device. And once you start talking about "jamming" and other 1337 h4x0r stuff - which is straight up illegal and can get you into trouble - on official platforms, don't get offended when that gets removed.
- nekusar 4mo ago
  Sure. I get why you don't want the skids jamming. But hell, it is still in your github commit history. Your all historical work was that of a attacking hacker toolkit. Jamming proves that. Now, that absolutely does NOT excuse Adkins on the discord from people asking how to get the PSK for garage door openers, and emulating the buttons. And especially since it was being asked by owners of said doors. But you banned people with legitimate and legal uses too. Good riddance to you all. I've stayed with 3rd party and steered others towards better actors than yourselves.

15155 4mo ago

> mention ANY of the alternate firmwares on their discord, and you get banned Does it surprise you that a Russian product team would use these tactics?

nekusar 4mo ago
Nyet.

arkits 4mo ago

are there any chinese knock offs of the hardware? i've yet to find something that integrates all the features this well

avipars 4mo ago
On aliexpress there are but I can't vouch for their quality

elliotec 4mo ago

Agreed 100% - they bricked the thing with official firmwares, and the "community" is the meanest most awful group of so-called hackers I've ever interacted with. It's more than just COA, they're actively aggressive and insular, not just on discord but reddit and less-known places too (which you can't know because you'll be banned for asking where you could find out).

Shorel 4mo ago

I would be interested in the names and descriptions of these legit pentesting tools.

tomhow 4mo ago

Please don't fulminate on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html