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They're not going to stop, are they?

by mattrighetti 3mo ago

stavros 3mo ago
It certainly seems like they'll stop after they pass it.
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flumpcakes 3mo ago
Who is they? These pithy remarks don't really extend the debate or have any nuance - they just sound conspiratorial. There are plenty of reasons to "scan" communications. There are plenty of reasons to have limits on communication "scanning". What part of the spectrum do you fall on?
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- julienreszka 3mo ago
  no there is no reason to scan communications.
  - flumpcakes 3mo ago
    The most obvious answer: to stop CSAM being shared on large platforms. Cloudflare has a tool that does it for some of their services.
    - Double_a_92 3mo ago
      Just because it's criminal, it doesn't mean that every private entity has to help to prevent it at costs of your privacy. If there are people that host parties in their homes to share CSAM, does that mean that it should be mandatory to install surveillance cameras in your house? Also as if people that are seriously sharing CSAM, wouldn't encrypt the data before sharing it.
varispeed 3mo ago
Law enforcement should stop them. In countries like Germany this is very likely illegal and amounts to preparation of terrorist act.
- inigyou 3mo ago
  Wait until you see who's in charge of deciding who to prosecute! My first experience with German police was reporting a crime and then then discussing if they should arrest me for being involved with the crime, since I was there at the police station and therefore easier to arrest than the actual perpetrators.
  - varispeed 3mo ago
    In the UK, when I reported a crime, I had to pull out the book and read the verse what constitutes an assault for Police to record it, because they didn't know. That said, 3 weeks later case was closed because they couldn't find the perpetrator. That is despite me giving them video evidence and address of that person. Looks like our taxes are well spent.
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      They're well spent on different priorities than we have. The police are extremely effective at suppressing dissent.

They're not going to stop, are they?

stavros 3mo ago

It certainly seems like they'll stop after they pass it.

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flumpcakes 3mo ago

Who is they? These pithy remarks don't really extend the debate or have any nuance - they just sound conspiratorial. There are plenty of reasons to "scan" communications. There are plenty of reasons to have limits on communication "scanning". What part of the spectrum do you fall on?

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julienreszka 3mo ago
no there is no reason to scan communications.
- flumpcakes 3mo ago
  The most obvious answer: to stop CSAM being shared on large platforms. Cloudflare has a tool that does it for some of their services.
  - Double_a_92 3mo ago
    Just because it's criminal, it doesn't mean that every private entity has to help to prevent it at costs of your privacy. If there are people that host parties in their homes to share CSAM, does that mean that it should be mandatory to install surveillance cameras in your house? Also as if people that are seriously sharing CSAM, wouldn't encrypt the data before sharing it.

varispeed 3mo ago

Law enforcement should stop them. In countries like Germany this is very likely illegal and amounts to preparation of terrorist act.

inigyou 3mo ago
Wait until you see who's in charge of deciding who to prosecute! My first experience with German police was reporting a crime and then then discussing if they should arrest me for being involved with the crime, since I was there at the police station and therefore easier to arrest than the actual perpetrators.
- varispeed 3mo ago
  In the UK, when I reported a crime, I had to pull out the book and read the verse what constitutes an assault for Police to record it, because they didn't know. That said, 3 weeks later case was closed because they couldn't find the perpetrator. That is despite me giving them video evidence and address of that person. Looks like our taxes are well spent.
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    They're well spent on different priorities than we have. The police are extremely effective at suppressing dissent.