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> Open source, MIT licensed. I don't think that is how copyright licensing works.

by smokel 3mo ago

xyzzy_plugh 3mo ago
Isn't it, though? What's the copyright status of the output of these tools?
- smokel 3mo ago
  If this is regular output of the LLM, I'm not sure, but given that the author proclaims that this is reverse engineered, then they are not allowed to redistribute it under their own license terms. The terms of service are also pretty clear on this not being allowed, which makes it extra hard to defend (section 3.3): > You may not access or use, or help another person to access or use, our Services in the following ways: ... 3. To decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or otherwise reduce our Services to human-readable form, except when these restrictions are prohibited by applicable law. [1] [1] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms
  - xyzzy_plugh 3mo ago
    How can you tell what regular output is? Is there a special output when you successfully jailbreak? Is there a meaningful distinction between jailbroken prompts and hallucinations? Are certain prompts against the terms of service? If so, is it easy to determine if they are? Who determines this? If you produce output that is against the terms of service, does that change the copyright status of the works? I'd love to see this go to court.
  - throwaway7356 3mo ago
    The terms of service are between Anthropic and one of their subscribers. So Anthropic can maybe cancel their contract. This doesn't affect what copyright law allows or does not allow. Also I think Anthropic very much suppports gathering data by whatever means possible. That should work both ways.
    - smokel 3mo ago
      It does make a difference. If this text was generated by the LLM, then by those same terms you are allowed to publish the data. But given that it is reverse engineered, you are not allowed to do so. Note that even in the normal case, there are restrictions. You'd have to validate that the generated output is not copyrighted. Which in this case may not be trivial.
dahart 3mo ago
What do you mean? https://opensource.org/license/mit https://opensource.org/license/mit
- smokel 3mo ago
  You cannot claim authorship of something that you were not even allowed to take in the first place. How would you then allow rights to somebody else? Seems pretty obvious to me.
  - dahart 3mo ago
    Oh you’re assuming the content in this repo is taken from somewhere? There are other sibling threads about this; you might be mis-interpreting the title.
    - smokel 3mo ago
      The GitHub page clearly states that it is reverse engineered. Even if you rewrite an article in your own words, you cannot claim copyright for that. At least, not to my knowledge.
      - dahart 3mo ago
        Oh you’re right, sorry! Well unless the Claude Design prompt is open source licensed, then correct, it’s not legal to publish it under an open license. That would be a copyright violation.
  - colinhb 3mo ago
    In general I agree with you, especially about how things should work, and find the current trend of claiming LLM-washing code hugely problematic. I do wonder what the analysis would be of these prompts were vibe-coded, though, since in general LLM output can’t be copyrighted without significant human authorship, and Anthropic is pretty noisy about minimal human supervision.
    - 3mo ago

> Open source, MIT licensed. I don't think that is how copyright licensing works.

by smokel 3mo ago

> Open source, MIT licensed. I don't think that is how copyright licensing works.

xyzzy_plugh 3mo ago

Isn't it, though? What's the copyright status of the output of these tools?

smokel 3mo ago
If this is regular output of the LLM, I'm not sure, but given that the author proclaims that this is reverse engineered, then they are not allowed to redistribute it under their own license terms. The terms of service are also pretty clear on this not being allowed, which makes it extra hard to defend (section 3.3): > You may not access or use, or help another person to access or use, our Services in the following ways: ... 3. To decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or otherwise reduce our Services to human-readable form, except when these restrictions are prohibited by applicable law. [1] [1] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms
- xyzzy_plugh 3mo ago
  How can you tell what regular output is? Is there a special output when you successfully jailbreak? Is there a meaningful distinction between jailbroken prompts and hallucinations? Are certain prompts against the terms of service? If so, is it easy to determine if they are? Who determines this? If you produce output that is against the terms of service, does that change the copyright status of the works? I'd love to see this go to court.
- throwaway7356 3mo ago
  The terms of service are between Anthropic and one of their subscribers. So Anthropic can maybe cancel their contract. This doesn't affect what copyright law allows or does not allow. Also I think Anthropic very much suppports gathering data by whatever means possible. That should work both ways.
  - smokel 3mo ago
    It does make a difference. If this text was generated by the LLM, then by those same terms you are allowed to publish the data. But given that it is reverse engineered, you are not allowed to do so. Note that even in the normal case, there are restrictions. You'd have to validate that the generated output is not copyrighted. Which in this case may not be trivial.

dahart 3mo ago

What do you mean? https://opensource.org/license/mit https://opensource.org/license/mit

smokel 3mo ago
You cannot claim authorship of something that you were not even allowed to take in the first place. How would you then allow rights to somebody else? Seems pretty obvious to me.
- dahart 3mo ago
  Oh you’re assuming the content in this repo is taken from somewhere? There are other sibling threads about this; you might be mis-interpreting the title.
  - smokel 3mo ago
    The GitHub page clearly states that it is reverse engineered. Even if you rewrite an article in your own words, you cannot claim copyright for that. At least, not to my knowledge.
    - dahart 3mo ago
      Oh you’re right, sorry! Well unless the Claude Design prompt is open source licensed, then correct, it’s not legal to publish it under an open license. That would be a copyright violation.
- colinhb 3mo ago
  In general I agree with you, especially about how things should work, and find the current trend of claiming LLM-washing code hugely problematic. I do wonder what the analysis would be of these prompts were vibe-coded, though, since in general LLM output can’t be copyrighted without significant human authorship, and Anthropic is pretty noisy about minimal human supervision.
  - 3mo ago