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> Google Maps has gotten so slow When it comes to navigating (except public transit), hiking, and route building, Organic Maps[1] is very good. OSM data and of

> Google Maps has gotten so slow When it comes to navigating (except public transit), hiking, and route building, Organic Maps[1] is very good. OSM data and offline-first is the way forward for detailed and _fast_ map experience. For cycling route building I have to mention BRouter[2], which allows you to write a custom cost function that is used to tweak your route preferences. [1]: https://organicmaps.app/ https://organicmaps.app/ [2]: https://brouter.de/brouter/index.html https://brouter.de/brouter/index.html

titanomachy 3mo ago
Cool! I'm guessing no traffic data in organic maps? I'd still install it to use as a backup.
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hansvm 3mo ago
I remember an engineer I talked to recently saying that OSM didn't have sufficiently up-to-date data for their routing use case -- new roads, closed roads, traffic data, etc. Is that the case?
- rurban 3mo ago
  No. It's their route function which sucks compared to Google maps. Their data is better and newer.
  - dmurray 3mo ago
    Isn't OSM the data layer, and people are free to build apps on top of it? "The data is better than Google maps, it just needs a better routing algorithm" should be catnip to a certain class of OS dev. If it's really true, I'll take a crack at it myself!
    - rurban 3mo ago
      Do it! Google routing is open source in or-tools
    - NateEag 3mo ago
      It's not true. At least, not exactly. At its best, the OSM data puts Google to _shame_. Super-fine resolution and details, nuances of street layout precisely correct, mountains of meticulously-maintained metadata that makes manifold niche geospatial apps possible. Alas, in any given area, OSM is only as good as the union of the publicly-provided street data and the obsessiveness of the area's mappers. Most towns in central PA, for example, have no street address listed for hundreds of buildings. I've made many small contributions to help, and really enjoy doing so, but someone looking for driving directions needs to be able to whip out their phone and slap in an address / business name and have it Just Work. You can't reliably count on OSM for that. I wind up falling back from OsmAnd to Gmaps probably every fifth drive.
      - dmurray 3mo ago
        I suppose Google also has the user-collected data that can tell you which routes are going to be busy. Almost impossible for OSM to replicate that.
        NateEag 3mo ago
        It would be hard, yeah. It's a network effect thing - if enough people used an OSM client and opted into sharing anonymized location data, you might be able to get somewhere with it. In practice, I think it'd have the same problem as the core map data - surprisingly good data in places with a lot of adopters, and nothing at all in places without. That said, though, the traffic data is pretty secondary - a good, open routing engine would be lovely to have, and will slowly become more relevant as the map expand and fills out.
carlosjobim 3mo ago
https://www.cycle.travel https://www.cycle.travel is also excellent for cycling routes. Made by a solo developer as far as I remember.
- maelito 3mo ago
  Who also build Tilemaker.

titanomachy 3mo ago

Cool! I'm guessing no traffic data in organic maps? I'd still install it to use as a backup.

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hansvm 3mo ago

I remember an engineer I talked to recently saying that OSM didn't have sufficiently up-to-date data for their routing use case -- new roads, closed roads, traffic data, etc. Is that the case?

rurban 3mo ago
No. It's their route function which sucks compared to Google maps. Their data is better and newer.
- dmurray 3mo ago
  Isn't OSM the data layer, and people are free to build apps on top of it? "The data is better than Google maps, it just needs a better routing algorithm" should be catnip to a certain class of OS dev. If it's really true, I'll take a crack at it myself!
  - rurban 3mo ago
    Do it! Google routing is open source in or-tools
  - NateEag 3mo ago
    It's not true. At least, not exactly. At its best, the OSM data puts Google to _shame_. Super-fine resolution and details, nuances of street layout precisely correct, mountains of meticulously-maintained metadata that makes manifold niche geospatial apps possible. Alas, in any given area, OSM is only as good as the union of the publicly-provided street data and the obsessiveness of the area's mappers. Most towns in central PA, for example, have no street address listed for hundreds of buildings. I've made many small contributions to help, and really enjoy doing so, but someone looking for driving directions needs to be able to whip out their phone and slap in an address / business name and have it Just Work. You can't reliably count on OSM for that. I wind up falling back from OsmAnd to Gmaps probably every fifth drive.
    - dmurray 3mo ago
      I suppose Google also has the user-collected data that can tell you which routes are going to be busy. Almost impossible for OSM to replicate that.
      - NateEag 3mo ago
        It would be hard, yeah. It's a network effect thing - if enough people used an OSM client and opted into sharing anonymized location data, you might be able to get somewhere with it. In practice, I think it'd have the same problem as the core map data - surprisingly good data in places with a lot of adopters, and nothing at all in places without. That said, though, the traffic data is pretty secondary - a good, open routing engine would be lovely to have, and will slowly become more relevant as the map expand and fills out.

carlosjobim 3mo ago

https://www.cycle.travel https://www.cycle.travel is also excellent for cycling routes. Made by a solo developer as far as I remember.

maelito 3mo ago
Who also build Tilemaker.