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Apples and oranges, since there is not determinism. That this argument gets trotted out so often is part of the dumbing down IMO.
by customguy 3mo ago
Apples and oranges, since there is not determinism. That this argument gets trotted out so often is part of the dumbing down IMO.
- simianwords 3mo agoNon determinism doesn’t discount something from still being useful. Companies outsource projects to consultancies all the time. Imagine you wanted to rebrand your logo - you hire a freelance guy to make it. He’s non deterministic. Does this stop you from hiring him? Why or why not?
- customguy 3mo agoWould you call him or her "the next step in the evolution of the brush" or something like that? Would you call an assistant who reads from books to or for you the "next level of literacy"? Does objecting to such statements -- because they're false and insulting the intelligence of the reader on the surface, and outright sinister in their long term implications -- mean I am "anti" either of these or other things? No x3. It also doesn't mean that I think if you have taste, even maybe some artistic skill, you will instantly lose it all when you hire that one person for that one logo, and so on. It just means what it says, that this comparison is nonsense. I don't have to justify myself for recognizing that, it should be the other way around if anything.
- simianwords 3mo agoI don't know what this has to do with non determinism.
- customguy 3mo agoI simply mean same input, same output. A tool you can learn. A screwdriver or a jet airplane vs. having to ask someone else to fasten a screw or fly you somewhere. Sure, you also can't just fly a modern fighter jet "by yourself", as in, build one, fully understand it, and operate it. For starters, you need a whole support setup and other people on the ground. Same for a modern computers. But there is not necessarily any black box part anywhere in any of those systems, that does this thing today and the opposite tomorrow, for the same input. That is the difference, it's very fundamental and very simple, and the question why people don't see or pretend to not see or refuse to see it is of utmost importance.
- ProjectMRI 3mo ago[flagged]
- TiredOfLife 3mo agoFreeBSD took some 30 years to get deterministic builds
- customguy 3mo agoGreat, so let's just make everything a wobbly mess chained to middlemen, so we can get that "gigantic, complex systems hitting edge cases because of small inconsistencies between builds" feeling for even "hello world". Instead of building slot machines with tools, let's build slot machines with slot machines, for great progress. Also, ever noticed that no matter what you do, you're never perfectly healthy? Don't live forever either way? So yeah I just eat industrial waste now, since it's free and everywhere.