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All of them? No. Some of them? Yes. Some examples: * ARL / Automatic Renewal Law: If a company allows you to sign up for a subscription online, they also must

by vrganj 4mo ago

All of them? No. Some of them? Yes. Some examples: * ARL / Automatic Renewal Law: If a company allows you to sign up for a subscription online, they also must provide an immediate, straightforward way to cancel it online. * SB 478: No bullshit junk fees tacked on to prices. Any price displayed, be it for concerts, hotels, or whatever else, must be the full, out-the-door price. * SB 244: Right to Repair: Electronics and appliance manufacturers must make diagnostic tools, manuals etc available for at least 7 years after manufacture.

WaxProlix 4mo ago
Does SB478 apply to car dealerships? That would be a huge boon to consumers on its own.
- luisln 4mo ago
  Car dealerships were exempt from SB 478. However, California's CARS Act, which took effect July 1, 2025, prohibits misrepresentations about the costs or terms of purchasing, financing, or leasing a vehicle, including the availability of vehicles at an advertised price.
  - fhn 4mo ago
    which would already be covered under general fraud
- wildzzz 4mo ago
  Dealers should be required to list the title/plate fees and their processing fee but stuff like dealer options and markup are required to be on a seperate sticker. America has such an aversion to including taxes on a listed price so I doubt that will ever be included.
bofadeez 4mo ago
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- galleywest200 4mo ago
  > * Just look at the actual checkout price like everyone else Why should I have to go through the entire process just to see the price? Have you ever been in a store that has the tax added onto the price tag? It is very nice to not have to do mental math.
  - morkalork 4mo ago
    What, you don't run through the checkout process on each of 100 different Airbnb listings and compile a spreadsheet of results to ascertain the true prices after fees and charges? That's gotta be the best part of vacation planning after buying plane tickets!
  - roenxi 4mo ago
    Because it isn't very important and the more degrees of freedom the seller has the more likely they are to do something to make the whole process cheaper for customers. Although it does seem appropriate that everyone should know the price of something before they buy it, as long as it happens before the money is handed over that is fine.
    - vrganj 4mo ago
      > the more degrees of freedom the seller has the more likely they are to do something to make the whole process cheaper for customers. I think this is the crux of our disagreement. In my experience, the more degrees of freedom the seller has, the more chances to fuck you over they have. I think - and this might be my European perspective and maybe why we feel differently about regulations than Americans - the main source of risk is corporations trying to take advantage of you, not the government. Curbing said risk through regulations is a core part of good governance.
      - roenxi 4mo ago
        If you let yourself get taken advantage of by corporations the result is substantially higher median incomes [0]. I remain unconvinced that adopting an adversarial stance toward the people who are trying to give you real stuff is the best strategy. Cooperation and forming a consensus with them seems like a better path. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/median-income-after-tax-lis https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/median-income-after-tax-l...

by vrganj 4mo ago

WaxProlix 4mo ago

Does SB478 apply to car dealerships? That would be a huge boon to consumers on its own.

luisln 4mo ago
Car dealerships were exempt from SB 478. However, California's CARS Act, which took effect July 1, 2025, prohibits misrepresentations about the costs or terms of purchasing, financing, or leasing a vehicle, including the availability of vehicles at an advertised price.
- fhn 4mo ago
  which would already be covered under general fraud
wildzzz 4mo ago
Dealers should be required to list the title/plate fees and their processing fee but stuff like dealer options and markup are required to be on a seperate sticker. America has such an aversion to including taxes on a listed price so I doubt that will ever be included.

bofadeez 4mo ago

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galleywest200 4mo ago
> * Just look at the actual checkout price like everyone else Why should I have to go through the entire process just to see the price? Have you ever been in a store that has the tax added onto the price tag? It is very nice to not have to do mental math.
- morkalork 4mo ago
  What, you don't run through the checkout process on each of 100 different Airbnb listings and compile a spreadsheet of results to ascertain the true prices after fees and charges? That's gotta be the best part of vacation planning after buying plane tickets!
- roenxi 4mo ago
  Because it isn't very important and the more degrees of freedom the seller has the more likely they are to do something to make the whole process cheaper for customers. Although it does seem appropriate that everyone should know the price of something before they buy it, as long as it happens before the money is handed over that is fine.
  - vrganj 4mo ago
    > the more degrees of freedom the seller has the more likely they are to do something to make the whole process cheaper for customers. I think this is the crux of our disagreement. In my experience, the more degrees of freedom the seller has, the more chances to fuck you over they have. I think - and this might be my European perspective and maybe why we feel differently about regulations than Americans - the main source of risk is corporations trying to take advantage of you, not the government. Curbing said risk through regulations is a core part of good governance.
    - roenxi 4mo ago
      If you let yourself get taken advantage of by corporations the result is substantially higher median incomes [0]. I remain unconvinced that adopting an adversarial stance toward the people who are trying to give you real stuff is the best strategy. Cooperation and forming a consensus with them seems like a better path. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/median-income-after-tax-lis https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/median-income-after-tax-l...