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gambiting 3mo ago
And that's relevant how? If you live in a city where everyone owns a petrol scooter it's absurd. Can't wait for all of these to be electric, it's just common sense.
- mdp2021 3mo ago
  When electric will be equally practical (recharge time, mileage) and accessible (we do not have electronic money). And the noise pollition I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs.
  - esrauch 3mo ago
    What noise pollution do you hear from electric? You mean the noise cars make when they are backing up or what?
    - mdp2021 3mo ago
      I mean the three: -- the additional alarms you mention; -- the noise from the engine (according to the assessment of mates, it should be that): it whines; -- the additional noise made to increase their "presence" which is typically an unnatural synth chord. All of that is absolutely unbearable to us.
      - esrauch 3mo ago
        There is literally any noise from the engine, whine or otherwise. Whether a noise is bad or not can be subjective but silence is objective. So at least for that one it kind of draws into question your overall conclusions here. You might be hearing an ICE and thinking it is electric, or some specific badly tuned vehicle or something.
        mdp2021 3mo ago
        I am very certain I am talking about electrical and hybrid vehicles. The first one that had me aghast was a Nissan Leaf. Today, too many. Obviously I cannot confuse them with ICE ("brooom"). The point about the "whining possibly-engine" comes from a chat with a friend, where I said that they had decided to really use the most annoying overlapped noises to make the cars audible: he replied, those are not the additional noises, but the "noises from the engine" (probably from the whole system). I don't know. > silence is objective The electrical and hybrid vehicles I witnessed are very far from silent (save for the bicycles - I can't assess them, too little experience). As expressed, to us those noises - running noises and operational noises - are annoying to a whole new level.
        esrauch 3mo ago
        Nissan Leaf motor is silent, there's really just objectively not a noise from the motor itself which could offend you. There's still some possibilities here: maybe you came across someone with a broken car and believed that to be representative. Most other explanations here just involve some form of confusion on your part to be honest: that it was the backup-alert noise that it makes _because_ the car is otherwise too silent, that it wasn't actually a Leaf but an ICE engine that you saw, or something else.
        mdp2021 3mo ago
        I insist. It cannot be about broken cars, because there would be a large number of them. The Nissan Leaf cars I experienced are not silent at all - it does not matter if it is the motor or another part of the system, or if it is the additional noise that was mandated legally because they were deemed too silent. Similarly, its Peugeot "twin" is "whaaa" whining, and so are the hybrid Jeep Renegade, and many others (as I was writing another reply nearby a Lexus) that had me turn in the street and address the drivers with impatience. Is it possible instead that you have no noise sensitivity for that noise? Or maybe - that makes no sense but - if I pointed you to that noise you would be surprised that some find that a foreground in perception? Because it is really bewildering that you call those cars silent - they are the opposite. A large number of electric or hybrid cars produce a whining "whaaa", a sort of synth chord, loud with a filter-pass in an abominably annoying band. I think I even heard one with a fake ICE noise (an imitation), but still a coloured timbre (not a natural noise but a synth with a perceptible note) in that same band. And the explanations you mention really make no sense: the beeps of the backup-alert noise - which we all know were mandated because the vehicles were supposed to be too quiet - are intermittent, whereas the whine is continuous. (The vehicles were supposed to be too quiet, so they mandated extra noises. Some of them are guessed to be nerve wracking - which is also normal in societies that have lost their natural sense.) But look: it is absolutely impossible that I can confuse an electric car noise with that of an ICE - and it is out of question that you can allege that. Maybe ask other people whether they hear noise from electric or low-speed hybrid cars. Really, ask other people. Edit: at this point I thought I could sample one - but I am sure they could be found on YouTube etc., there should be no need. ... I checked: it's full of them samples.
  - wffurr 3mo ago
    > the noise pollition I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs. What are you talking about? The electric ones are significantly quieter.
    - mdp2021 3mo ago
      But (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48792667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48792667) there is (it seems, I am not sure where it comes from) an especially fastidious noise from the engine, then additional noises to make the vehicle louder (and those I have heard are worse than nails on chalkboards), and then additional alarms to increase the "construction site" effect. It is not a matter of decibels. It is a matter of nerves impact. I wrote «the noise poll[u]tion I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs». Pollution. It has many dimensions - "loud" is just one.
  - gambiting 3mo ago
    >>And the noise pollition I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs. Is this some kind of trolling? >>accessible (we do not have electronic money). And is this some kind of joke? An electric scooter can be plugged into a solar panel and recharged within a day. For free. Even if every oil refinery on earth explodes you will be able to charge your electric scooter by the wonderful power of the sun. Unless you mean the cost to purchase - have you seen the cost of a new Vespa? You can have two electric scooters for the price of a new Vespa. And electric scooters have long ago matched needs of city users in terms of range. Recharge time isn't as fast as petrol, sure, but people tend not to drive scooters for 500 miles in a day. You drive it to work, drive it back, plug it in. Or charge during the day using solar. Or you know, for really crazy sci-fi ideas just look at china, where electric scooters with swappable batteries are extremely common. Even if you work as a food delivery driver you can have a fresh fully charged battery in less time than it would take you to fill up with petrol.
    - mdp2021 3mo ago
      > Is this some kind No, perfectly serious. If your question is because you thought I meant noise levels - no, I meant noise quality. E.g. a good insulated ICE has a pleasant noise. On the contrary, the sane people I know physically panic in front of the strident cacophony and asylum level beeps that the new vehicles are bringing. > An electric scooter can be plugged into a solar panel and recharged within a day. For free Well, that is also not always satisfiable. But it's an idea: if you remain nearby, you could plug the solar panel in - and, with some structure, also get your shade. (Panel-as-umbrella. I am serious. Shade is not granted everywhere.) But - still very serious - we know that research to make electric vehicle recharge through solar panels failed (not enough miles collected in a reasonable time): if the electric scooters are so efficient (in terms of miles/charge), would not it be a good idea to have them continuously under some solar power connection? Maybe "barrel roof" models - the roof as a solar panel stripe. Anyway: as noted in the other replies, that recharge for electric vehicles passes through electronic money when you are far from your own outlets is a problem.
      - gambiting 3mo ago
  - mikestew 3mo ago
    Whether stinky bait, or just bad sarcasm, you’ll need to up your game, this is weak.
    - mdp2021 3mo ago
      No, I am absolutely serious. And you posted no content.
  - aetch 3mo ago
    Electronic money? Electric vehicles are cheaper to operate long term.
    - mdp2021 3mo ago
      You need to recharge electric vehicles (of course), and the recharging systems I am informed of require electronic money. Not all people have it. (And not all people accept leaving a DB track of their stops.) "Cheap" makes no sense here - you may have misunderstood the post. Whether charging costs 1 penny or 1 grand, it is still inaccessible if the plugs are automated totems not accepting cash.
- nickthegreek 3mo ago
  my 2022 vespa gets over 65mpg and I don’t need to move 2,000 lbs of metal to get around. I assure you it is better for the world than driving an car.
  - gambiting 3mo ago
    ...have I suggested otherwise?
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And that's relevant how? If you live in a city where everyone owns a petrol scooter it's absurd. Can't wait for all of these to be electric, it's just common sense.

mdp2021 3mo ago
When electric will be equally practical (recharge time, mileage) and accessible (we do not have electronic money). And the noise pollition I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs.
- esrauch 3mo ago
  What noise pollution do you hear from electric? You mean the noise cars make when they are backing up or what?
  - mdp2021 3mo ago
    I mean the three: -- the additional alarms you mention; -- the noise from the engine (according to the assessment of mates, it should be that): it whines; -- the additional noise made to increase their "presence" which is typically an unnatural synth chord. All of that is absolutely unbearable to us.
    - esrauch 3mo ago
      There is literally any noise from the engine, whine or otherwise. Whether a noise is bad or not can be subjective but silence is objective. So at least for that one it kind of draws into question your overall conclusions here. You might be hearing an ICE and thinking it is electric, or some specific badly tuned vehicle or something.
      - mdp2021 3mo ago
        I am very certain I am talking about electrical and hybrid vehicles. The first one that had me aghast was a Nissan Leaf. Today, too many. Obviously I cannot confuse them with ICE ("brooom"). The point about the "whining possibly-engine" comes from a chat with a friend, where I said that they had decided to really use the most annoying overlapped noises to make the cars audible: he replied, those are not the additional noises, but the "noises from the engine" (probably from the whole system). I don't know. > silence is objective The electrical and hybrid vehicles I witnessed are very far from silent (save for the bicycles - I can't assess them, too little experience). As expressed, to us those noises - running noises and operational noises - are annoying to a whole new level.
        esrauch 3mo ago
        Nissan Leaf motor is silent, there's really just objectively not a noise from the motor itself which could offend you. There's still some possibilities here: maybe you came across someone with a broken car and believed that to be representative. Most other explanations here just involve some form of confusion on your part to be honest: that it was the backup-alert noise that it makes _because_ the car is otherwise too silent, that it wasn't actually a Leaf but an ICE engine that you saw, or something else.
        mdp2021 3mo ago
        I insist. It cannot be about broken cars, because there would be a large number of them. The Nissan Leaf cars I experienced are not silent at all - it does not matter if it is the motor or another part of the system, or if it is the additional noise that was mandated legally because they were deemed too silent. Similarly, its Peugeot "twin" is "whaaa" whining, and so are the hybrid Jeep Renegade, and many others (as I was writing another reply nearby a Lexus) that had me turn in the street and address the drivers with impatience. Is it possible instead that you have no noise sensitivity for that noise? Or maybe - that makes no sense but - if I pointed you to that noise you would be surprised that some find that a foreground in perception? Because it is really bewildering that you call those cars silent - they are the opposite. A large number of electric or hybrid cars produce a whining "whaaa", a sort of synth chord, loud with a filter-pass in an abominably annoying band. I think I even heard one with a fake ICE noise (an imitation), but still a coloured timbre (not a natural noise but a synth with a perceptible note) in that same band. And the explanations you mention really make no sense: the beeps of the backup-alert noise - which we all know were mandated because the vehicles were supposed to be too quiet - are intermittent, whereas the whine is continuous. (The vehicles were supposed to be too quiet, so they mandated extra noises. Some of them are guessed to be nerve wracking - which is also normal in societies that have lost their natural sense.) But look: it is absolutely impossible that I can confuse an electric car noise with that of an ICE - and it is out of question that you can allege that. Maybe ask other people whether they hear noise from electric or low-speed hybrid cars. Really, ask other people. Edit: at this point I thought I could sample one - but I am sure they could be found on YouTube etc., there should be no need. ... I checked: it's full of them samples.
- wffurr 3mo ago
  > the noise pollition I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs. What are you talking about? The electric ones are significantly quieter.
  - mdp2021 3mo ago
    But (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48792667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48792667) there is (it seems, I am not sure where it comes from) an especially fastidious noise from the engine, then additional noises to make the vehicle louder (and those I have heard are worse than nails on chalkboards), and then additional alarms to increase the "construction site" effect. It is not a matter of decibels. It is a matter of nerves impact. I wrote «the noise poll[u]tion I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs». Pollution. It has many dimensions - "loud" is just one.
- gambiting 3mo ago
  >>And the noise pollition I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs. Is this some kind of trolling? >>accessible (we do not have electronic money). And is this some kind of joke? An electric scooter can be plugged into a solar panel and recharged within a day. For free. Even if every oil refinery on earth explodes you will be able to charge your electric scooter by the wonderful power of the sun. Unless you mean the cost to purchase - have you seen the cost of a new Vespa? You can have two electric scooters for the price of a new Vespa. And electric scooters have long ago matched needs of city users in terms of range. Recharge time isn't as fast as petrol, sure, but people tend not to drive scooters for 500 miles in a day. You drive it to work, drive it back, plug it in. Or charge during the day using solar. Or you know, for really crazy sci-fi ideas just look at china, where electric scooters with swappable batteries are extremely common. Even if you work as a food delivery driver you can have a fresh fully charged battery in less time than it would take you to fill up with petrol.
  - mdp2021 3mo ago
    > Is this some kind No, perfectly serious. If your question is because you thought I meant noise levels - no, I meant noise quality. E.g. a good insulated ICE has a pleasant noise. On the contrary, the sane people I know physically panic in front of the strident cacophony and asylum level beeps that the new vehicles are bringing. > An electric scooter can be plugged into a solar panel and recharged within a day. For free Well, that is also not always satisfiable. But it's an idea: if you remain nearby, you could plug the solar panel in - and, with some structure, also get your shade. (Panel-as-umbrella. I am serious. Shade is not granted everywhere.) But - still very serious - we know that research to make electric vehicle recharge through solar panels failed (not enough miles collected in a reasonable time): if the electric scooters are so efficient (in terms of miles/charge), would not it be a good idea to have them continuously under some solar power connection? Maybe "barrel roof" models - the roof as a solar panel stripe. Anyway: as noted in the other replies, that recharge for electric vehicles passes through electronic money when you are far from your own outlets is a problem.
    - gambiting 3mo ago
- mikestew 3mo ago
  Whether stinky bait, or just bad sarcasm, you’ll need to up your game, this is weak.
  - mdp2021 3mo ago
    No, I am absolutely serious. And you posted no content.
- aetch 3mo ago
  Electronic money? Electric vehicles are cheaper to operate long term.
  - mdp2021 3mo ago
    You need to recharge electric vehicles (of course), and the recharging systems I am informed of require electronic money. Not all people have it. (And not all people accept leaving a DB track of their stops.) "Cheap" makes no sense here - you may have misunderstood the post. Whether charging costs 1 penny or 1 grand, it is still inaccessible if the plugs are automated totems not accepting cash.
nickthegreek 3mo ago
my 2022 vespa gets over 65mpg and I don’t need to move 2,000 lbs of metal to get around. I assure you it is better for the world than driving an car.
- gambiting 3mo ago
  ...have I suggested otherwise?

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