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Iconic design, but way too noisy and dirty. Article doesn't mention "electric" once.
by xnx 4mo ago
Iconic design, but way too noisy and dirty. Article doesn't mention "electric" once.
- pjmlp 4mo agoMaybe because not everyone cares, while the planet gets destroyed with wars, private jets and AI centers?
- otabdeveloper4 4mo agoNoise pollution is a different issue than "saving the planet".
- pjmlp 4mo agoThat is only an issue when driving 50cc and applies to all of them, regardless of which kind of motorbike. Or those that love "tuning" taking the noise filters out of the escapes.
- stefan_ 4mo agoYes, all of them are terrible and should have ceased to exist 10 years ago? Now is just the next best time. It won’t save the industry addicted to them of course, China has long gotten rid of them.
- pjmlp 4mo agoWell, everything is doable when following the same kind of government based "education". Also lets ignore drilling the planet for rare minerals in the process, that China owns.
- shrubble 4mo agoTaylor Swift just used how many tons to get married?
- gambiting 4mo agoAnd that's relevant how? If you live in a city where everyone owns a petrol scooter it's absurd. Can't wait for all of these to be electric, it's just common sense.
- mdp2021 4mo agoWhen electric will be equally practical (recharge time, mileage) and accessible (we do not have electronic money). And the noise pollition I hear coming from the electric to me is a million times worse than ICEs.
- esrauch 4mo agoWhat noise pollution do you hear from electric? You mean the noise cars make when they are backing up or what?
- mdp2021 4mo agoI mean the three: -- the additional alarms you mention; -- the noise from the engine (according to the assessment of mates, it should be that): it whines; -- the additional noise made to increase their "presence" which is typically an unnatural synth chord. All of that is absolutely unbearable to us.
- esrauch 4mo agoThere is literally any noise from the engine, whine or otherwise. Whether a noise is bad or not can be subjective but silence is objective. So at least for that one it kind of draws into question your overall conclusions here. You might be hearing an ICE and thinking it is electric, or some specific badly tuned vehicle or something.
- mdp2021 4mo agoI am very certain I am talking about electrical and hybrid vehicles. The first one that had me aghast was a Nissan Leaf. Today, too many. Obviously I cannot confuse them with ICE ("brooom"). The point about the "whining possibly-engine" comes from a chat with a friend, where I said that they had decided to really use the most annoying overlapped noises to make the cars audible: he replied, those are not the additional noises, but the "noises from the engine" (probably from the whole system). I don't know. > silence is objective The electrical and hybrid vehicles I witnessed are very far from silent (save for the bicycles - I can't assess them, too little experience). As expressed, to us those noises - running noises and operational noises - are annoying to a whole new level.
- nxpnsv 4mo agoThe electric range of Vespas are using the same iconic design.
- tiew9Vii 4mo agoAre you talking about a 1950’s Vespa or a 2026 Vespa? A modern 300cc four stroke Vespa will use 3.3 litres of fuel per 100km and Euro 5 means noise is quiet. As far as things go, modern scooters are great, practical, economical vehicles.
- TheChaplain 4mo agoEuro5 also means >90% less exhaust fumes compared to Euro1 which was introduced 1999 iirc. The difference between a 1950 and 2026 Vespa must be huge.
- wiether 4mo agoEven the new ones are awfully loud. But, yeah, they don't smell like the old ones thankfully
- guenthert 4mo ago> A modern 300cc four stroke Vespa will use 3.3 litres of fuel per 100km Uh, I know motorcycle engines aren't particularly fuel-efficient (it's not a priority), but there seems to be, er, room for improvement.
- PunchyHamster 4mo agoyou can get some 125cc motorcycle/scooter and run on half that
- cindyllm 4mo ago[dead]
- synecdoche 4mo agoA 2026 Honda SH150 uses 2.2 l / 100 km (up to about 70 km/h) and is very quiet. Made in Italy too.
- tiew9Vii 4mo agoScooters main priority have been cheap practicality. Fuel efficiency is part of the “cheap” part. Yamaha’s blue core engine used in its mid sized 300cc scooters can do 2.8L per 100km. It’s 125 engines can do 1.8L per 100km. They’re incredibly efficient little vehicles So far electric scooters can only compete in inner city with the equivalent power of a small 125 and limited range/speed due to size/weight constraints