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by ffsm8 3mo ago

The people having glass literally break from the vibrations would probably disagree with your opinion https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=sg09k66iutKFIFSo https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=sg09k66iutKFIFSo Yet here we are, discussing "data center" as if they're standardized and of similar (nose) isolation. There are no meaningful regulations in building them, and they can be incredibly polluting. So your experience with a potentially well isolated one is sadly not the norm going forward. And we don't even know how close you lived, if you're eg talking about "within 5km/3miles" then your experience would also have little value in this discussion in general.

jml7c5 3mo ago
>The people having glass literally break from the vibrations would probably disagree with your opinion Can you cite a source for this? It's not in the video, as far as I can tell. I would be wary of Benn Jordan's videos. They are full of mistakes and misrepresentations, as Andy Masley has convincingly demonstrated: https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center-and https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center... I recall seeing Benn Jordan's responses on Bluesky and thinking they were quite poor. He was unwilling to admit to mistakes, and kept trying to grasp at newly searched papers that didn't actually support his arguments.
- hypfer 3mo ago
  Benn unfortunately is one of those people that actually feel stuff, which is a trait that easily gets exploited by bad actors. Indeed, he shot himself in the foot there pretty bad, but I would argue that that was just the result of successful Agitation. I would personally strongly prefer being in the same room with Benn compared with Andy, because one of them is authentic, while the other is calculating. Though, arguably, Benn has been catching up on that lately too. But yeah, taking stuff with a grain of salt should be the default regardless of the person speaking.
- redsocksfan45 3mo ago
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- butvacuum 3mo ago
  It's irrelevant. Glass is a fickle mistress- a factory defect from 20 years ago can be the nucleus for the whole pane to shatter for any reason, or no reason. Anything loud enough to crack any pane of glass that gets near it means federal agencies are very interested.
apublicfrog 3mo ago
The fact that people have lived and worked near data centres for decades and didn't even know what the term meant - let alone be adversely impacted by them - probably indicates they're broadly an non issue. All of a sudden out of nowhere, AI and data centres got intermingled by the media and now people seem to have big issues with them.
- Liftyee 3mo ago
  Though, the new data centers are not entirely the same. Increasing use of onsite gas turbines to generate power instead of using grid power changes their noise+air pollution profile.
  - fragmede 3mo ago
    The problem these days is lack of nuance. It should seem entirely reasonable to be pro-datacenters-if-they're-done-right, but it feels like there are only two sides to any issue. Gas turbine whine noise isn't coming from the data center, it's being used to power the data center, but the camp is either pro data center or not, and fuck any nuance.
    - Forgeties79 3mo ago
      Because the reality is while we all debate the nuances companies just do whatever they want, and it’s usually whatever offloads the most issues to the public because it saves them more money.
    - __egb__ 3mo ago
      Maybe the lack of nuance is due to learning, through decades of experience, that the assumption “it won’t be done right” can be baked in.
      - wongarsu 3mo ago
        So people have a decades-long expectation that local government will fail them? This does sound plausible, but it's also pretty sad and not a sign of a healthy democracy
rpdillon 3mo ago
How far do you live from a data center?
ninjalanternshk 3mo ago
> There are no meaningful regulations in building them If a municipality doesn’t have emissions, noise, water use, etc regulations, that’s a serious failure in governance. We don’t need nor want the word “data center” in regulations anymore than we need the word “abattoir.” The names of the things we build change all the time. Their impact on their communities don’t. We need to regulate impact, not the name or type of business. If we did, nobody would know or care about data centers and they wouldn’t be affecting their communities, because they’d be operating under established impact regulations.
rvba 3mo ago
Why are you using internet then? The (highly optimized) HN server sits in a rack too. So you want to use the internet but dont want the data center in your backyard?

by ffsm8 3mo ago

jml7c5 3mo ago

>The people having glass literally break from the vibrations would probably disagree with your opinion Can you cite a source for this? It's not in the video, as far as I can tell. I would be wary of Benn Jordan's videos. They are full of mistakes and misrepresentations, as Andy Masley has convincingly demonstrated: https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center-and https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center... I recall seeing Benn Jordan's responses on Bluesky and thinking they were quite poor. He was unwilling to admit to mistakes, and kept trying to grasp at newly searched papers that didn't actually support his arguments.

hypfer 3mo ago
Benn unfortunately is one of those people that actually feel stuff, which is a trait that easily gets exploited by bad actors. Indeed, he shot himself in the foot there pretty bad, but I would argue that that was just the result of successful Agitation. I would personally strongly prefer being in the same room with Benn compared with Andy, because one of them is authentic, while the other is calculating. Though, arguably, Benn has been catching up on that lately too. But yeah, taking stuff with a grain of salt should be the default regardless of the person speaking.
redsocksfan45 3mo ago
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butvacuum 3mo ago
It's irrelevant. Glass is a fickle mistress- a factory defect from 20 years ago can be the nucleus for the whole pane to shatter for any reason, or no reason. Anything loud enough to crack any pane of glass that gets near it means federal agencies are very interested.

apublicfrog 3mo ago

The fact that people have lived and worked near data centres for decades and didn't even know what the term meant - let alone be adversely impacted by them - probably indicates they're broadly an non issue. All of a sudden out of nowhere, AI and data centres got intermingled by the media and now people seem to have big issues with them.

Liftyee 3mo ago
Though, the new data centers are not entirely the same. Increasing use of onsite gas turbines to generate power instead of using grid power changes their noise+air pollution profile.
- fragmede 3mo ago
  The problem these days is lack of nuance. It should seem entirely reasonable to be pro-datacenters-if-they're-done-right, but it feels like there are only two sides to any issue. Gas turbine whine noise isn't coming from the data center, it's being used to power the data center, but the camp is either pro data center or not, and fuck any nuance.
  - Forgeties79 3mo ago
    Because the reality is while we all debate the nuances companies just do whatever they want, and it’s usually whatever offloads the most issues to the public because it saves them more money.
  - __egb__ 3mo ago
    Maybe the lack of nuance is due to learning, through decades of experience, that the assumption “it won’t be done right” can be baked in.
    - wongarsu 3mo ago
      So people have a decades-long expectation that local government will fail them? This does sound plausible, but it's also pretty sad and not a sign of a healthy democracy

rpdillon 3mo ago

How far do you live from a data center?

ninjalanternshk 3mo ago

> There are no meaningful regulations in building them If a municipality doesn’t have emissions, noise, water use, etc regulations, that’s a serious failure in governance. We don’t need nor want the word “data center” in regulations anymore than we need the word “abattoir.” The names of the things we build change all the time. Their impact on their communities don’t. We need to regulate impact, not the name or type of business. If we did, nobody would know or care about data centers and they wouldn’t be affecting their communities, because they’d be operating under established impact regulations.

rvba 3mo ago

Why are you using internet then? The (highly optimized) HN server sits in a rack too. So you want to use the internet but dont want the data center in your backyard?